Re: [Marxism] Getting Over State Socialism's Crimes

["Naveen Jaganathan" <naveenkj3@xxxxxxxxx>]

Wow.... So you want the Left to put its efforts into making an apologia for
Stalinism and to tell people the gulag wasn't so bad afterall?  Yes, we
should point out capitalism's crimes from slavery to the holocaust is not a
humanitarian record, but to claim the cultural revolution, or the slave
labor camps were not as bad (as we've been led to believe) is absurd!  If
Marxism is about Stalinist horrors I want no part of it, and neither should
"the masses."  I'd take the relative "freedoms" of psuedo-liberalism over
Stalinism anyday!

--NJ


On 2/1/07, Roger Raven <rogergen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Indeed.   It is ideas, and the proof that those ideas are sound and
> generally do work, that will generate public support.   The public are under
> no obligation to believe; we have to win them over.
>
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Benjamin Morgan
> To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 11:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Getting Over State Socialism's Crimes
>
>
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>
> comrade Ben:
>
>    While analyzing the current political strata of the left you must argue
> that they didn't choose failure! have you read the Empire by Michael Hardt
> and Antonio Negri's "Empire" post industrial capitalist states are forming
> one big globalized empire through information technology. The left, although
> resilient, has yet to gain the worker base necessary to efficiently struggle
> for true socialism; this is for several reasons. First, without all the
> massive industries and with outsourcing the capitalist exploit Latin
> America, Africa, and the third world outside of the public eye. As we all
> know the bourgeois control the entirety of the media playing up Taiwanese
> sweat shops isn't good for "business". Second, Media is loosing territorial
> confines so covert anti-left messages, basically pro-western media is
> subsuming the globe that's why socialist states like China attempt to
> regulate media; although, it's failing when people in China are listening to
> fucking rap music teaching
>   them capitalism while attempting to fuck up the infrastructure of there
> society. Rogers right, places like Argentina and Venezuela's left have made
> great strides. Even Americans can't deny that although Cuba is poor poverty
> rates are negligible. What we need is a revitalization of the left. I
> believe that critical pedagogy can be gradually instilled within society and
> that if we can teach our children another way of learning in time we can
> establish to say a counter empire that can ameliorate socialism
> misconceptions in the status quo.
>
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