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RE: [Marxism] Slight tinge of conscience in warmongering blogs
Gary MacLennan wrote:
> Why do these disgust me so?
Well, regarding Harry's Place, we are not unable to "quantify the level of
sacrifice made by Iraqis"
(and let's please not call it a "sacrifice made by Iraqis" as if they had any
choice in the matter, as
if this intervention was conducted with their interests in mind and their
enthusiastic invitation). We
can perfectly well quantify it, since we have been presented with an
extensively peer-reviewed
epidemiological report conducted according to the best practise in the field,
widely praised by those
in the know, and which no one has meaningfully laid a glove on yet. The author
of the HP Sauce post
does try, simply by collating the various comments of someone else at another
blog, which I would
reluctantly suggest is a new low in didactic hygeine.
Geras, meanwhile, is saying that he would not voice opposition to a war that he
knew would result in
the cataclysm that has now befallen Iraq, that is now demonstrably worse on
every index than the
tyranny that it dislodged. That is to say, he would have done nothing, raised
not a finger or even
modulated a breath, to prevent what he could foresee would be a terrifying
nightmare. And he is
actually rather unhappy about those of us who would, and did.
Geras is evasive, moreover, on the question of the Lancet report. He
acknowledges that he refused
to say a word about the first report, because 1) "I lack the statistical
competence to be able to judge
these reports"; 2) "I don't know how - morally, humanly - to deal in
calculations that say that n deaths
(where n is a very large number) are an acceptable price to pay for some
putatively desirable end result";
3) "I'm put off by expressions of scepticism of a form to suggest that while
600,000?+ deaths is not a
credible figure there is some lower, though still very high, figure about
which supporters of the war could
feel relaxed." Geras did not refuse to comment on the HRW finding that Saddam
had killed and 'disappeared'
290,000, even though I am certain that the findings are as far outside of his
competence to professionally
assess as they are mine. The fact of being statistically incompetent doesn't
exempt one from confronting the
possibility that the figure is accurate, and from considering what those who
are statistically competent have
to say on the matter. One is obliged to make distinctions in matters that
extend well beyond one's professional
expertise every day, and Geras does so. Further, there evidently must be a
moral distinction to be had in the
number of deaths for Geras - implicitly, this is so, since his phrase is that
"too many" have died. Morally, humanly,
Geras finds that he cannot make such a distinction, but he already has. The
distinction did not arise at 100,000
or thereabouts, we can say, because that did not provoke this bout of despair.
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