[Marxism] The Great Brown Nutty Bagel Conspiracy

[Steve Palmer <spalmer999@xxxxxxxxx>]

"Why are clicking your fingers all the time?"

"Keeps the elephants away."

"But there aren't any elephants for miles."

"Shows how effective it is!"

With deepest respect, this is pure utter unmitigated bollocks.

So the absence of any evidence of conspiracy means there must have been one?

I wish the whole thing was a conspiracy. Then all we'd have to do would be to
burst into the smoke-filled room, grab all the conspirators then send them of
for re-education, put them up against the wall, lower them slowly into a tank
teeming with ravenous piranha depending on one's personal beliefs about their
propensity for rehabilitating and the most efficacious means for achieving
that. We would then be able to set about constructing the socialist order
without fear of interference.

Unfortunately, it isn't like that except in fairy-tales. Have you ever actually
seen these assholes at work, worked for them, or had to get them to do the
simplest thing? I can only guffaw at the supposed omniscience, omnipotence,
foresight, discipline, cunning, efficiency, intelligence, commitment,
self-abnegation and ability to zip their lips which you attribute to them.
Sometime, somewhere, someone leaves a zipper undone, deliberately or otherwise,
and it starts to hang out and come unravelled.

Naturally these people plot and scheme and huff and puff and do their best to
stop the house from falling down, but whichever way they turn, they run into
the laws of history (you can't crap on someone forever without consequence) or 

--- double bluff <mullah_omar@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I hope the last recommendation by Andrew will prevail, both for sanity 
> and political opportunity.
> BTW: most of "anti-conspiracist" arguments seen here are really feeble 
> (to say it euphemistically). i.e.:
> -someone insisted that Atta (like any else hijacker) could not be part 
> of a scheme managed by a sort of secret team within the USG, being aware 
> of its consequences (included its death). Well, what makes you think 
> that in such conspiracy (or whatever else) each agent has to be fully 
> informed of its consequences (and of who really runs it) in advance? Do 
> you believe in an open society with full transparency of information?
> -Louis does not believe that spooks could have put explosives in the 
> buildings. Why not? if you are a real spook you can access pretty 
> anything -without inspiring much suspect- either using your NSA or 
> whatever agency card, or even using fake personal documents (which 
> should be an ordinary tool of your job).
> -etc.
> Above all, the 9-11 conspiracy issue is politically significant because 
> if you accept the official conspiracy theory (the premise), then you are 
> dragged to accept many of its consequences (wars, "anti-terrorism", end 
> of civil liberties, paranoia, fear of strangers, etc., in short: 
> fascism), or at least to see them like a response -maybe unjust, 
> inappropriate, but somewhat justifiable- while the real conspiracy 
> consisted exactly in this: reaching this result, even whith you. 
> Marxistically, one might even consider the trends of US economy in the 
> first quarters of 2001, which resembled the reelection prospects of GWB 
> at the time.
> best regards


"To the socialist it is not the horrors of war that are the hardest to endure 
... but the horrors of the treachery shown by the leaders of present-day 
socialism" - Lenin

"When the train of history goes round a bend, all the intellectuals fall off" - 
Marx

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