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RE: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy
- To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy
- From: "Austin, Andrew" <austina@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 18:11:21 -0500
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- Thread-topic: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy
How many people do you think knew about the lies that were used to lead
the US into the Vietnam War? How long did those lies remain hidden.
Would it have been a reasonable argument then to claim that it would be
impossible for so many people to keep hidden something like a conspiracy
that led a country into a war in which more than 50,000 US soldiers and
millions of civilians were killed? Sure, the truth came out. But how
long did it take? The government only this year admitted what some of
us came to believe, namely that they lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. Not
that the Gulf of Tonkin was on the scale of 9-11, but the point remains
that it is logically fallacious to argue that something must not be true
because nobody whose word you would trust and wouldn't malign as crazy
has come forward to say it's not true. As long as we're speculating, we
should point out the obvious: it's much more likely that anybody
involved in something like this would have every reason not to talk
publicly about it. First, if they believed in the project enough to
participate in it, then they are not going to jeopardize the project by
blowing it. And a change of heart is a big problem for many reasons.
Want to be a murderer? Want to be a patsy? Want to be insane? Want to
be assassinated? Plenty of people have contradicted the official story.
But physicists at institutions like Brigham Young apparently don't
impress. Neither do the fireman at the scene who say they heard blasts
and saw what looked to them like a controlled demolition - and much
more. Eyewitness have said they did not see what the favored media
eyewitnesses saw with respect to planes, etc. I don't think you realize
how big this thing has become. Thousands of people can already dazzle
you with arguments about the conspiracy and dozens of academics are
involved in the movement. And it's only going to get bigger. Rather
than being flummoxed by how something like this could be pulled off and
kept secret, the rational approach would be to prove the claims the
government makes and actually debunk the counterarguments. If it's an
open-and-shut case, that ought to be really easy to do. But fallacious
formulas won't do it, I'm afraid. Andrew
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- Thread context:
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy, (continued)
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Intense Red Sat 09 Sep 2006, 23:28 GMT
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Intense Red Sat 09 Sep 2006, 22:10 GMT
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Louis Proyect Sat 09 Sep 2006, 22:29 GMT
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Carrol Cox Sat 09 Sep 2006, 22:40 GMT
- RE: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Austin, Andrew Sat 09 Sep 2006, 23:11 GMT
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
David Thorstad Sat 09 Sep 2006, 23:36 GMT
- Re: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Carrol Cox Sun 10 Sep 2006, 00:00 GMT
- RE: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Austin, Andrew Sun 10 Sep 2006, 00:04 GMT
- RE: [Marxism] Marxism and Conspiracy,
Austin, Andrew Sun 10 Sep 2006, 00:02 GMT
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