Re: [Marxism] Challenge to Lenin & Trotsky experts

["james daly" <james.irldaly@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Einde, I was referring to the early 70's so-called "feud" between the 
"Official IRA", who were Stalinists and who later were chosen by Moscow as 
their Irish delegates, and the "Provisional IRA", who wanted a national 
struggle without any class reference.  Since I think the latter were 
entitled to their struggle, I call the Officials' action in trying to stop 
them murder.
I can now see that the section about the tradition of British workers was 
hopelessly unclear.  I was referring to the chauvinism of British workers 
towards Irish workers which caused much grief to Marx.  Irish (later) CP 
members took their orders from the British CP.  And the pro-British Northern 
element stifled the anti-imperialism of the southern element.  On the 
"island of Ireland" this led to murder.
The references to Cromwell and the perennially reactionary nature of 
Catholicism in regard to Protestantism come anecdotally from former inmates 
of their indoctrination headquarters at Mornington, many of whom later moved 
to the IRSP.
I think the two-nationism of Brendan Clifford's super-Stalinist BICO 
(British and Irish Communist Organisation) was more explicit with such 
propaganda.
This is not the first time I have found that getting around the list's 
Stalin/Trotsky debate prohibition made clarity difficult.  I was influenced 
by Michael Farrell's People's Democracy, which had a more or less Trotskyist 
criticism of the "Officials", but I am not a Trotskyist.  You don't need to 
be, to be critical of the Officials.
J. D.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Einde O'Callaghan" <einde@xxxxxx>
To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition" 
<marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Challenge to Lenin & Trotsky experts


: james daly schrieb:
: <snip>
:
: > Following the same tradition as 19th-century British workers,
: > Irish Marxists murdered those who sought *national* liberation.  They 
were
: > helped by an ideology which in the name of science imposed Oliver 
Cromwell
: > as a world historical hero for all of humanity, and made Catholicism for
: > ever and everywhere a legitimate target for Protestantism.
:
: I could follow your argumentation up to here, and even broadly agree
: with most of it - but you lost me com pletely here - can you please
: explain what you mean - in  both sentences?
:
: Einde O'Callaghan



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