Re: [Marxism] Independence is Not Nothing

[Carrol Cox <cbcox@xxxxxxxxx>]

Louis Proyect wrote:
> 
> >And in those cases (China, Vietnam, Iran, India) who would dare say that
> >the sacrifices of the revolutionary struggle were in vain! National
> >independence in a world of globalized capitalism is still of immense
> >importance.
> >
> >Carrol
> 
> Carrol, the Fedayii lost many fighters in guerrilla warfare against the
> Shah. 

Probably some of them had been guests in my house -- I had many Iranian
friends both at the UofI (where the Iranian Student Association invited
me to speak) and at ISU. A fucking SAVAK agent (pretending to be a
gung-ho marxist-leninist) was even a guest in my home several times.
Probably most of them are dead; if the Shah didn't get them Khommeini
did.

But that doesn't change the fact that an independent Iran, however
non-socialist and/or repressive, but staunchly opposed to u.s.
imperialism is a damn sight better than the Shah's Iran - for everyone.
And one doesn't have to accept all or even most of Yoshie's arguments to
recognize that what we have in Iran now is a _process_; Iran internally
is at least somewhat in flux, and will probably remain so as long as it
can stave off domination by the west.

And as Mark says, our job in any case is not to judge this or that
foreign regime but to "nobble u.s. imperialism" (a typo worthy of a
Nobel prize for literature). Only when they are freed from the threat of
western imperialism will many nations be able to begin serious struggle
for internal liberation.

Carrol

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