re: [Marxism] antisemitism workshop audio now online

[spencer s <spencerpdx@xxxxxxxxx>]

i'm too busy for a pissing match right now, but i'll
answer your question. I feel that you conflate Jews &
Israel when you say: 

"And in my opinion, honest activists shouldn't be
organizing symposia on anti-semitism in the movement
at this moment, but on building the movement against
the U.S./Israeli aggression and Israeli apartheid" 

i read this immediate movement from questions of
antisemitism to questions of Israel is a conflation --
unless of course you would say the same thing to me no
matter WHAT kind of activism I was doing -- ie that i
should stop, not just doing antisemitism work, but
also drop any queer, feminist, environmental,
anti-iraq, police brutality, prison support, housing
activism, etc. work; and then go do
anti-Israel/Lebanon war stuff.

And i fucking hate the Zionist Left. they annoy me to
no end. if you listen to the Q&A, you'll hear me
arguing with the editor of Meretz's US webpage about
Bundism v. Zionism.

now show me where on the annouicement for the panel
you find that we "may have expressed that conflation."

you also seem to be a GC student.

spencer

--- Mike Friedman <mikedf@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> You of course, as a grown-up person (I assume) can
> decide your own 
> priorities. But I repeat, to hold a conference,
> workshop, or whatever 
> on antisemitism at this moment, that is not
> contextualized by the 
> over-riding need to confront Zionism, manifests
> screwed-up 
> priorities. That, as I said, is at a minimum. I'd
> like to give the 
> workshop organizers the benefit of the doubt and not
> assume that they 
> are merely engaging in the usual anti-semitism
> baiting that 
> characterizes much of the zionist left, as soon as
> solidarity with 
> Palestine or questions about the legitimacy of the
> Zionist entity are 
> raised. As for myself, I am Jewish, too. And I'm
> quite clear about 
> the distinction between Judaism and Zionism. Let's
> be concrete, 
> instead of engaging in ad hominem attacks: where
> have I conflated 
> "questions about Jews, and questions about Israel"?
> I would say that 
> it was your panel and the tenor of your workshop
> that may have 
> expressed that conflation.
> 
> 
> >spencer s spencerpdx at yahoo.com
> >Sun Aug 6 16:32:23 MDT 2006
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> >i missed his report-back. prehaps you'd like to dig
> it
> >out of the archives and (re)send it.
> >
> >i was simply saying that K. closely represented our
> >views, whereas half of the list attributed a bunch
> of
> >weird-ass things to us, like we are zionists, etc.
> >
> >in any event, obviously this panel had been
> scheduled
> >months in advance; it was even announced before the
> >Lebanon invasion. these things don't pop out of
> thin
> >air.
> >
> >i enjoy however that you seem to think that you can
> >tell me what my priorities as an activist should
> be.
> >although in fact, i think now more than ever we
> need
> >to talk about how much of the left is affected by
> >antisemitism, because i see it as fairly
> widespread,
> >especially amongst people doing middle east
> solidarity
> >work. people can't seem to distinct between israel
> and
> >jews. and you seem to be one of them, as you openly
> >conflate questions about jews, and questions about
> >Israel. last i checked, israel was a nation-state
> and
> >jews were a series of ethnic groups around the
> world
> >united by religious and cultural commonalities.
> >
> >--- Mike Friedman <mikedf at amnh.org> wrote:
> >
> >>  Uhh... maybe I missed something, but why does
> your
> >>  reading
> >>  kersblebeded's books make it unsurprising that
> he
> >>  "got it right"? For
> >>  my part, I'll be content with Fred Feldman's
> report
> >>  back. I've found
> >>  him to be a reliable source. And in my opinion,
> >>  honest activists
> >>  shouldn't be organizing symposia on
> anti-semitism in
> >>  the movement at
> >>  this moment, but on building the movement
> against
> >>  the U.S./Israeli
> >>  aggression and Israeli apartheid. The aggression
> has
> >>  cost the lives
> >>  of well over a thousand Palestinian and Lebanese
> >>  civilians to date,
> >>  as well as destroying much if not most of the
> >>  Lebanese and Gaza
> >>  infrastructures. And, yes, it's cost some
> Israeli
> >>  civilian lives as
> >>  well. In the context of such a symposium, there
> >>  could certainly have
> >>  been a workshop or panel speaker on
> anti-semitism.
> >>  But, I think, at a
> >>  minimum,  the organizers of the Bluestocking
> event
> >>  have their
> >>  priorities screwed up.
> >>
> >>  By the way, Lou P., there would be another
> >>  short-term activity or
> >>  series of activities that could be entertained:
> a
> >>  movement-wide
> >>  educational conference or teach-in on the crisis
> and
> >>  the U.S./Israeli
> >>  role in the Middle East. If the major anti-war
> >>  coalitions could do
> >>  this together, it would be magnificent!
> 
> -- 
> Michael Friedman
> Doctoral Candidate in Ecology, Evolutionary Biology
> and Behavior
> City University of New York
> 
> Molecular Systematics Laboratory
> Department of Invertebrate Zoology
> American Museum of Natural History
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> New York, NY 10024
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> 
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