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Re: [Marxism] Re: Australian troops back in East Timor
- To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re: Australian troops back in East Timor
- From: glparramatta <glparramatta@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:57:30 +1000
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Louis Proyect wrote:
I have no idea why you need to buttress your argument with such an
obscure reference. A much more useful example is the alliance between
the Soviet Union and Anglo-American imperialism during WWII. A workers
state is obligated to make a pact with the devil in order to defend
socialist property relations. But what does this have to do with East
Timor? As far as I know, the DSP did not hold state power in East
Timor. The issue is much more closely related to the one that divided
the US
and Haitian left in 1994 over whether American Marines should have
been supported in a humanitarian intervention to rescue Aristide. I
believe that the correct position is to oppose any such rescues,
especially considering in this instance the sorry track record of US
"rescues" in the Caribbean and the trajectory of Aristide. When such
imperialist rescues take place in places like Haiti or East Timor, the
prognosis is extremely guarded.
full: http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2003w09/msg00012.htm
From http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue14/14townsend.html
The immediate result of the decision to send the peacekeeping force was
to put a stop to the slaughter of the vanguard of the Timorese
liberation movement. This was the key gain, the importance of which
cannot overestimated. It also led to the total withdrawal of Indonesian
troops.
Secondly, the Australian mass movement set back Australian imperialism's
key goal if only for a time of a strategic political and military
alliance with the Indonesian regime and the power behind the throne, the
Indonesian military.
It was a massive defeat for the Indonesian military. Gains for the
democracy movement in Indonesia and the struggles in Aceh and West Papua
have already been made in its wake.
East Timor will achieve formal independence. That too is a victory. Of
course, Australian and Western imperialism have their own designs and
will try to make the most of them. Certainly, an independent East Timor
will be a neo-colony of imperialism, just as Papua New Guinea, Fiji and
the Solomon Islands are, but that would have been the case whether
Indonesia peacefully gave up East Timor or it remained part of Indonesia.
Australian and US imperialism will attempt to make the most of the
setback that has been forced upon them. That simply means that the
solidarity movement has a huge job to do to ensure that the East
Timorese people have as much political room to move as possible.
The mass movement in Australia that forced the government to intervene,
against its will, was motivated by a sympathy for the East Timorese
people and an overwhelming support for their right to independence. It
can be, and will be, mobilised again if Howard, Clinton and the UN
betray that.
Did the mobilisation of more than 100,000 people in Australia, in the
space of a week, outraged at Canberra's 24-year policy [of backing
Indonesia's occupation of East Timor], make it easier or harder for
Howard and the UN to renege on independence for East Timor? Does it make
it easier or harder for the solidarity movement to mobilise those people
again?
Even if the DSP's Australian critics prove to be right and Australian
leftists have to fight harder at home as the rulers attempt to salvage
something by arguing for greater austerity to pay for more military
spending or pushing for more overseas military adventures, is that too
high a price to pay for the revolutionary forces in East Timor escaping
extermination and being allowed to return to the struggle instead of the
certainty of having their forces destroyed? Is the struggle of workers
in Australia and other imperialist countries weakened or strengthened by
the survival of the liberation movement in East Timor?
The defeat of the Indonesian military in East Timor, and the undermining
of the Australian government's alliance with it, have weakened it and
made the prospects greater for a radical democratic revolution in
Indonesia. Will that weaken or strengthen the movement in Australia?
[snip]
Is it incorrect to call on the capitalist state to use force?
<http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue14/14townsend.html#CONTENTS>
Is it a principle that socialists should never call on capitalist states
to use force? That socialists under no circumstances give support to UN
peacekeeping forces?
Socialists every day demand that the capitalist state and its armed
wings act to implement laws, or carry out police actions, that are in
the objective interests of the working class and the oppressed.
In situations where the organised and mobilised working class cannot as
yet carry out these tasks, calling on capitalist governments to do so
can expose the capitalist state's unwillingness or inability to act in
the interests of the working class or, if it is forced to make
concessions in the face of mass working-class activity, achieve gains
that are objectively in the interests of the working class.
When socialists call for bosses who flout workplace health and safety
laws to be jailed for murder or assault, or when we demand that the
owners of polluting companies be prosecuted, we are calling on the state
to use force. When socialists demand that cops and screws responsible
for Aboriginal deaths in custody be prosecuted and convicted, we are
calling on the capitalist state to use force. When we demand that the
police track down and jail racist murderers or enforce laws against
rape, we are advocating the use of force by the capitalist state.
In the US, the civil rights movement called for the sending of federal
troops to the southern states to enforce civil rights laws. US
socialists supported the call, as US Solidarity activist Barry Sheppard
explained in a posting to the "Solidarity List" on the internet on
September 17:
``An analogy that I think is useful was the demand the SWP
[Socialist Workers Party] raised in relation to the fight of Blacks
in the South against the Jim Crow [apartheid] system, when they were
met with massive violence by [state] police forces and vigilantes.
``We called on the federal government to send troops to defend
Blacks under attack by mobs and the armed forces of the Southern
states. We also championed the idea that Blacks had the right to arm
themselves in self-defense from these attacks. Sometimes we combined
these demands, as in the Battle of Birmingham in 1963, when Blacks
began to arm and defend their meetings, and we called on the federal
government to arm and deputize Blacks in the face of the violence of
the racists.
``The fact was that the Black people were not prepared or able to
defend themselves on the scale necessary. Neither, as we have seen,
are the East Timorese.
``When federal troops were used in the desegregation battle, it was
with great reluctance and foot-dragging by Washington. But whenever
they were forced to do this, the racists were beaten back, and
Blacks were emboldened to fight harder. By demanding federal troops,
we also were exposing the reluctance of Washington to intervene in
defense of what most Americans considered to be a just cause.
``At no time did our position mean we were "sowing illusions" in the
federal government, or did we ever give it political support. Quite
the opposite. We exposed the complicity of Washington with the
Southern establishment at every turn.''
The analogy was raised in a separate discussion on the "Marxism List" on
the internet on September 18 by another former member of the US SWP:
``Despite many misgivings about how these comrades have formulated
their demands, it must be recognized that the Australian DSP is, in
the most essential matter, correct. They are supporting the just
struggle of the people of East Timor for self-determination and
independence. Right now part of that struggle is the fight for an
international imperialist peace-keeping force, just as a month ago
part of it was the fight for an imperialist-organized referendum,
and the DSP is triply right in not abstaining from these battles …
``It is not the "fault" of the people of East Timor that, thanks to
the blood of millions of martyrs the world over, international
imperialist institutions such as the UN have been forced to
recognize, at least formally, the right of oppressed nations to
self-determination. It is not a "betrayal" for the people of East
Timor to use this formal concession as a lever to pry out the
Indonesian invaders from their homeland. It is not "treason" to
demand that these imperialist world bodies back up their
hypocritical "respect" for the right of the East Timorese to
self-determination and independence with something more weighty than
resolutions and crocodile tears.
``To denounce their demand for blue helmets is just as ultraleft as
the position of sectarians in the United States who denounced Black
community demands that the "bourgeois imperialist" police forces
and, if it comes to it, the "bourgeois imperialist" army yes the
same bourgeois imperialist army that raped Vietnam and put down the
ghetto rebellions in 1968, and that just pulverized Belgrade be
deployed to protect the Black community against racist thuggery and
terror.
``The Australian DSP is absolutely right in supporting this demand
of the independence movement, just as the US SWP was absolutely
right when it supported Black community demands that federal troops
be sent to Boston in the mid-1970s. Those who criticize them on the
basis of "principle" need to explain why the same principle does not
prevent them from demanding "armed intervention" and "the use of
force" against racist thugs within their own states.''
[snip]
An avenue for imperialist retreat
<http://www.dsp.org.au/links/back/issue14/14townsend.html#CONTENTS>
Yet despite the undoubted dominance of the US, the UN continues to be an
arena of struggle between contending international interests,
principally Western imperialism on the one hand and the Third World on
the other. This is especially so at the level of the General Assembly,
but on a few occasions it is also reflected in the Security Council.
At certain points, the pressure of mass struggle in the Third World
combined with mass popular opinion in the West has forced US imperialism
to retreat. Just as the UN is used by imperialism when it launches
offensives, that body has often been the mechanism Washington uses to
disguise its backdowns or to allow its Third World proxies to save face.
Namibia
A very similar situation to that of East Timor took place in Namibia a
decade ago. Weakened by the successes of the anti-apartheid struggle in
South Africa and the decisive defeat of the South African army's
invasion of neighbouring Angola by the combined forces of Cuban
internationalist volunteers, the Angolan army and the guerillas of the
South West African People's Organisation (SWAPO), the
US-imperialist-backed apartheid regime in South Africa was forced to
agree to Namibia's independence. In the US and Europe, a mass
anti-apartheid movement was at its peak.
In July 1988, representatives of Angola, Cuba and SWAPO on one side and
South Africa on the other agreed that South Africa would reduce its
troops in Namibia to 1500 prior to a UN-monitored constituent assembly
election in November 1989, leading to an independent Namibian state in
March 1990. In return, revolutionary Cuba agreed to withdraw its
volunteers from Angola.
In August 1988, the UN Security Council approved a resolution
authorising an armed UN force of 4650 troops from Australia, Denmark,
Finland, Malaysia and Britain to supervise elections for the constituent
assembly which would draft independent Namibia's constitution.
The UN Transitional Assistance Group (UNTAG), established under UN
Security Council resolution 435, was originally to have been
7500-strong. Washington argued that it be slashed to 3000. Following
objections from the Non-Aligned movement, the African front-line states,
SWAPO and others, the compromise of 4650 was agreed on.
The anti-apartheid movement and revolutionary socialists did not
denounce the UN force as a "betrayal", nor did they declare that forcing
imperialism to retreat and allow Namibia's formal independence was not
an advance. Socialists did not call for the UN forces' withdrawal.
Socialists did not argue that the deployment of a UN force in these
circumstances sowed illusions in imperialism's or the UN's
"humanitarianism".
Such a position would have played into the hands of apartheid South
Africa and US imperialism. Imperialism's goal was for SWAPO to be as
politically weak as possible in an independent Namibia.
Socialists opposed US efforts to reduce the UN force and exposed every
instance of UN inaction in the face of Pretoria's attempts to use
violence and dirty tricks to sabotage SWAPO's attempts to win a
two-thirds majority in the constituent assembly. Socialists condemned
Pretoria's manoeuvre of integrating 3000 members of the dreaded Koevoet,
a death-squad "counterinsurgency" unit, into the police force, which was
charged under resolution 435 with maintaining law and order.
Socialists condemned UNTAG's slowness in deploying troops and its
failure to confront i.e. they demanded that the UN use force against
South African troops and police who killed hundreds of SWAPO fighters
and supporters in the first weeks of the transition process.
International pressure by the anti-apartheid movement especially in the
US, where outrage at the slackness of UNTAG was fuelled by press
coverage of massacres forced the US to apply pressure to the South
African-appointed administrator of Namibia, and in August 1989 Koevoet
were confined to barracks for the duration of the election campaign.
SWAPO won an overwhelming victory in Namibia's November 7-11, 1989,
constituent assembly elections. The remaining South African occupation
forces withdrew a week later, and the UN troops left in April 1990. The
creation of an independent Namibia, despite all the obstacles thrown in
its path by the apartheid regime and Washington, was a massive defeat
for Pretoria and an inspiration to the people in South Africa still
struggling against apartheid.
South Africa and Israel
Similarly, it was the combination of the anti-apartheid struggle inside
South Africa and the mass solidarity movement throughout the world in
the 1980s that forced the UN Security Council to impose a range of arms
and economic sanctions on Pretoria. The impact of those sanctions
speeded the demise of apartheid.
Socialists did not respond by denouncing these concessions by
imperialism. They campaigned for them to be enforced as major
imperialist powers flouted them or turned a blind eye to widespread
"sanctions busting" scams.
As of 1998, Israel was defying as many as 69 UN Security Council
resolutions. At least 29 others had been vetoed by the US. The fact that
69 resolutions were allowed to pass by Washington was a concession to
the anti-imperialist sentiment in the Arab world and public opinion in
the West.
Socialists did not simply ignore these resolutions' existence, but
highlighted the hypocrisy of the failure of the UN to enforce them, in
stark contrast to its actions in relation to Iraq, Libya and Iran.
Cuba
While it is not a perfect analogy, revolutionary socialists' attitude
toward the UN can be likened to that toward bourgeois parliaments. Like
parliament, which is thoroughly bourgeois, the UN is thoroughly
imperialist. Should socialists then boycott it, declare it "politically
obsolete"?
This is not the position taken by revolutionary Cuba. Cuba participates
actively in the General Assembly to propagandise for socialism, to
defend the Cuban revolution by mobilising opposition to the US blockade
of the island, and to argue in favour of action that helps the oppressed
and working majority of the world. Cuba does not call for the UN's
abolition but for it to be transformed by the abolition of the veto
power of the five permanent members and for its democratisation so that
the Third World majority can control it.
Cuba's participation which inevitably requires it to call on the UN
Security Council to act in the interests of oppressed exposes
imperialism's hypocrisy and inaction. It also allows Cuba to exploit
differences between its enemies and play them off against one another.
On November 9, the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly endorsed a
resolution for the eighth successive year, and by a record 155-2
majority (twelve abstentions), calling for an end to the forty-year US
economic blockade. Only Israel voted with the US.
"Washington's friends and allies as well as its usual adversaries [such
as Japan, Canada, Norway, Australia, and Finland on behalf of the
European Union] supported the resolution, mainly because they consider
their own sovereignty is infringed by the 'extra-territorial' effects of
the embargo in punishing non-US companies that trade with Cuba",
reported Reuters.
In situations where imperialism is forced to retreat in the face of
struggle, Cuba's participation helps maximise the gains won by the
oppressed as its role in Namibia's independence showed.
Cuba has no qualms about participating in the UN Security Council. At
the time of the Gulf War, the only members of the Security Council to
vote against the resolution that authorised the attack on Iraq were Cuba
and Yemen.
Such an approach gives Cuba another avenue to exploit differences
between our enemies. The fact that the 1998 US-British bombing campaign
against Iraq was not undertaken with UN approval because of dissent
within the Security Council notably France and that war against
Yugoslavia was carried under the auspices of NATO, rather than the UN,
indicates that even at the Security Council level, the US does not hold
unbridled sway. The ability of Cuba to tactically influence decisions at
that level can at least hamper imperialism's activities.
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