[Marxism] Re: moderatoir's note

["Fred Feldman" <ffeldman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I am really pissed off and I don't care whose head rolls, including
mine.  Smoke is coming out of my  ears. This list may really  be in its
political death agony.

The attempt to ban discussion of Latin America on this list because
there are important differences is simply outrageous.

Of course, there was a point to  my submitting the fact that  Castro,
Chavez and Morales were holding a meeting of their political current in
the current Latin American transformations.  The one based on forces
brought and kept in power by masses trying to transform their countries.
The one that looks to Cuba as an example of what is needed though not a
"model."

Of course, that is what is involved and not just more of that Cuban
diplomacy so many of us love to hate, as David and (by implication)
Louis pretend.

Louis lets David get by with carrying on about epigones -- perhaps
counting on nobody understanding the obscure term, and heads out after
Joaquin again. David, of course, may have been testy because the COB
bombed out very badly in its latest -- frankly screwball -- attempt to
topple Morales and counterpose alleged "Soviets" to the Constituent
Assembly.  A dumb mistake Lenin did not make from February to October
and afterwards, and a step he took only after the land decree and others
were being carried out under the leadership of a revolutionary
government.

It makes no sense to pretend that relations between Chavez, Morales, and
Castro are simply diplomacy -- the Cubans want trade and diplomatic
deals, so they chat with the bourgeois scum. I'm all for that myself
but that is not what is happening here.This is a meeting of people who
have certain common political perspectives.  That''s why they all get to
talk to the Cuban people with an hour each.

Maybe Morales won't measure up to the regard Fidel has for him.  I'm a
hard-boiled empricist on these questions, so the test that will settle
things is the test of revolutionary action, which is still in its early
stages in Bolivia and may or may not develop much further.  The failure
of the COB attack is a good thing,  in its own way (the COB is not
backed by Washington but represents ingrown sectors of the labor
movement, with a leadership that clearly manifests bureaucratic,
aristocratic, and commandist attitudes toward the masses) like the
failure of the artistocratic sectors in Venezuela that WERE backed by
Washington.  Socially, a conservative element fearful of new leadership
arising from the masses is involved in both cases.

Apparently this list can't afford to debate anything anymore except the
Brenner thesis where racial terminology (what the hell is the term
"Eurocentric" anyway?) are always in season.

Anyway that's my last comment on this for now on this subject.  But I
WILL NOT ACCEPT a ban on discussion of Latin America at this time.  I
think that idea is completely out to lunch. Who touches Latin America
right now touches a revolution and we should be prepared for tensions.
But if we can't talk about it, this list is really out of business.
Fred Feldman


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