Re: [Marxism] Re: Brazilians urged to take to streets

["rrubinelli" <rrubinelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Not to put to fine a point on it... I don't understand your distinction
between defense of bourgeois nationalism and support of it.  In all of
FF's posts, he does not make that distinction, arguing for example, for
electrification, development qua development, irregardless of the
social, class basis of that development.

Fred calls for absolutely uncritical support of Lula, of the current
popular, national front, govt-- a bourgeois government in a bourgeois
state that doesn't even talk left, walk right; but whispers center and
careers way right.  FF's "failure to defend..." are code words for the
historical capitulation to bourgeois governments and bourgeois parties.

Military blocs against imperialism during imperialist assaults are
different than political capitulation, muting criticism, suppressing
independent class analysis and independent class action.


rr


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Shannon" <Brian_Shannon@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Marxmail" <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: [Marxism] Re: Brazilians urged to take to streets


> Regarding FF and rr, I don't understand rr's position at all. Feldman
> is not calling for support to bourgeois nationalism, but for defense
of
> it. Although there is always some sort of overlap or blending, these
> are different concepts entirely. How one handles these issues are
> political/psychological issues for the Brazilian Left. It could be
that
> they bend the stick too much towards Lula's programs. Certainly a dam
> will not solve Brazil's problems or even amount to a beginning. But
> socialists cannot oppose it, they have to defend it while pushing for
> stronger measures. In any case, FF's framework is both supportable and
> defensible. A frontal attack on bourgeois nationalism is not.
>
> Brian Shannon


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