Re: [Marxism] Re: Marxism Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8

[rrubinelli <rrubinelli@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Oh thank you kind sir, please let me know when you are not in a magnanimous 
mood your royal
highness, so I can give you the opportunity to follow through on your empty 
threats.

I mean really Nestor, all you left out of your proclamation was:

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.  The great and powerful Oz has
spoken."

I assume you intend your threats "virtually," as cyber-pugilism which would 
make you,
I guess, the digital Oscar Bonavena..

If you intend them in the real world, please let me know if you'd rather come 
to NYC, or if
you prefer your home turf.  I do so much love to bang, brother, if you know 
what I mean.
Had to bang a few times in my railroad career, and figure I got one or two good 
ones left in me
before I retire to a life of the dissipated, but still attractive, older 
gentlemen; the casually, but
still stylishly, dressed skirt-chasing bastard I am at heart.

But as to the meat, and it meat it is.  To think that the slavers of Portugal, 
Spain, Britain engaged
in a trade in flesh based on the "suitability" of that flesh is to presume way 
too much knowledge
about what flesh can and cannot stand. It actually presumes what needs to be 
proven.

The fact of the matter is that in the Caribbean, the indigenous peoples were 
all but eradicated, and
that, by the time the first slave ships landed in the 'new world,' extensive 
barter and trade arrangements
existed between Europe and Africa.  Africans were no better suited for slavery 
than anybody else.  They
died in slavery at rates that proved exactly how unsuitable human beings are 
for that form of commerce
and labor.  But there were more of them.  More 11 million more of them.  
Extensive commercial profits
in the trade and production supported extensive construction and development of 
structures and 
instruments of control.  The "cheapness" of replacement allowed for further 
extensions of the trade
and further "investment" in repression.

Slaves escaped into "hinterlands" and formed sustained social communities which 
engaged in combat,
sometimes on a continuous basis with slave hunters and official military/police 
forces.


Keeping the floor dirty, just for you, I remain

rr

-----Original Message-----
From: Nestor Gorojovsky <nestorgoro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Nov 4, 2005 10:26 AM
To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Marxism] Re: Marxism Digest, Vol 25, Issue 8

Dear Rrubinelli, I am in a magnanimous mood today, so that I will not 
wipe the floor with your hairs.

Allow me to tell you that, yes, obviously, 

> The origin of slavery was not in the suitability, docility, alienation
> or any of that other junk.  It was set in the terms of trade and
> commerce.

since anything is commoditified under the capitalist mode of 
production.

But saleability of a particular commodity is linked to its "use 
value".

Baloney?

Este correo lo ha enviado
Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
nestorgoro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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