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[Marxism] Re: Marxism Digest, Vol 24, Issue 59
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- Subject: [Marxism] Re: Marxism Digest, Vol 24, Issue 59
- From: Bill Lynch <billlynch970@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 13:25:04 -0400
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Marvin Gandall wrote:
In this sense, socialism "is no longer on the
agenda" but I don't overlook that it could be again if the economy ceases
functioning under private ownership and conditions abruptly deteriorate.
Whether people choose to call themselves socialists at that time or not,
they'll almost certainly have no choice but to look to the state to restore
lost production, jobs, and income and will support those parties they view
as committed to using the state for these purposes.
In my view, "looking to the state" is a very misleading way of
understanding socialism. In the crisis leading to the Russian
revolution, the workers did not "look to the state," but formed
independent working class institutions that were designed to meet
practical needs within the crisis and that also instantiated direct--not
representative--working class power that governments and parties could
more or less facilitate or obstruct. One can expect that the same would
happen when working people are faced with crisis unsolvable by the
current configuation of capitalism, though factories may not be the
focal point in advanced economies. In any event, the conception of
socialism as some kind of bland, technocratic "planning" that meets our
needs via a party or government that claims to represent our interests
is a recipe for the next round of bureaucratic "betrayals." I do agree
with Marvin's comments about leadership, however. To live up to this
list's avowed antisectarianism will require that we stop thinking of
party "leadership" of the working class and take our cue from the
solutions "spontaneously" (though not in fact spontaneous) developed in
struggle and build upon that basis (i.e. analyze how emerging socialist
institutions come about when the old ways are no longer adequate). I
won't discuss the issue of how the factory committees and soviets were
subordinated to party control, in essence destroying the laboratory for
socialism, an issue obscured even by the language of the list ban on
debating "Trotsky vs. Stalin" ...
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