Re: [Marxism] Re: immigration (response to Katz)

[Barney Katz <taxi4marx@xxxxxxxxx>]

>
> Fred Feldman replies: I have an answer to Barney's
> unanswered question
> about whether he spent his time on the immigration
> wisely or unwisely.
> Unwisely, it is clear, since he obviously paid no
> attention to the
> political points being made whatever by anyone
> except Mr. Godena. It
> seems to me that his obviously half-hearted
> digression into this
> discussion diverted Mr. Katz from other matters to
> which he might have
> paid attention and thus made a more interesting and
> useful contribution.
>

Are you always such a pompous ass, Fred, or do you
seriously expect that people will, in their replies,
address every single point you choose to make? My
intention was to trace the thread back to its source
to see whether there was any truth to the accusation
that Godena was a racist and, as I suspected, there
wasn't.

>
> For instance, he writes that the "team" which he
> presents as though it
> were led by myself

No, Fred, I didn't present you as The Leader of The
Team; you were just chronologically the first to
attack Godena. But who knows, maybe you imagine
yourself to be A Great Leader of Those Dumb Bigoted
Workers given half a chance, right?


>put forward "the collective
> assumption that Mr.
> Godena is a racist."  Of course, every member of the
> alleged "team" did
> not make this accusation, and I specifically stated
> that I did not
> believe it.

You perpetuated the derogatory subject title and
generally fed into the hysteria. Two people - Bustelo
and Saxe - explicitly accused Godena of racism.

> Nor did most participants in the debate call for the
> removal of Godena
> from the list.
>

One person - Saxe - called for Godena's removal from
the list.

On the up side, Fred, you do acknowledge the
importance of unionisation and organisation amongst
workers, albeit in an overly scholastic and
doctrinaire way. Practical ways need to be found to
help workers and their allies to organise against the
bosses, and to create a shift in the balance of class
forces in favour of workers. Any ideas?

BK


                
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