Re: Peak oil, was [Marxism] Re: farm-raised salmon is poisonous

[Paddy Apling <e.c.apling@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 20:20 28/09/2005, rubinelli wrote:

> 3. Like I said in response to Paddy's (to my mind) uncritical support for
> salmon farming-- it's capitalist salmon farming; it's capitalist oil
> production;
> capitalist salmon farming will do absolutely nothing to reduce the pressure
> on wild fish stocks; capitalist oil production will do absolutely nothing to
> reduce the "energy shortages," since it isn't energy but profit that
> is the point
> of such production; it's profit, not energy that is in short supply, a short
> supply determined by overproduction; an overproduction that pushes capital
>  toward ever greater, cheaper, more destructive, wasteful appropriation
> of resources, while at the same time destroying real productive assets.

You will be pretty hungry if you foregoe capitalist farming - and you
won't travel very far without depending on capitalist oil production.....

The adjective is unnecessary - most of the  problems there are to
talk about are not characters of the social system but are associated
with the necessities of production.  The negative effects can be
minimised under any social system - just as problems of pollution
have been so successfully dealt with in Britain and Europe generally
since 1945.   As for the "indigenous peoples" - their social systems
are necessarily of the past and many of their problems are
those  general to the Third World - the ubiquitous nature of
exploitation by the imperialist west.

Paddy
http://apling.freeservers.com



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