Re: [Marxism] IWW and anti-imperialism

["Calvin Broadbent" <calvinbroadbent@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sakai does not, I think, make assumptions. Did the fact that a few Cherokees
owned slaves entail the Cherokees' occupying the upper echelons of the
slaveocracy? Obviously not. Some Africans sold slaves (although the ethnic
origin of some of these 'African' slave traders is controversial). Does that
mean that the slave trade was a joint 'black-white' effort in 'racial' terms
(Carroll Cox's pertinent points withstanding)? Of course not. It is no great
surprise that some black civil rights leaders oppose immigration. Lots of
middle class leaders oppose immigration. The fact that black Americans, or
even American indians, may have racist attitudes does not negate the fact
that America's racial order has always historically benefited white people
over and above any other 'racial' group.

As for the white working class being essential to American revolution- I
don't disagree. Meltdown will need to occur before that *ever* happens.

over and out.

LOUIS PROYECT WROTE:

> Sakai seems to make a facile assumption that the victims of the "settler"
> white population with its aristocracy of labor is a homogenous. American
> history is far more complex. The Cherokees owned slaves, while Black
> "Buffalo Soldiers" participated in the slaughter of American Indians. When
> anti-immigration legislation was proposed in the California legislature,
> some civil rights leaders said it was a good thing. Meanwhile, in my wife's
> classes at a predominantly Black and Latino college in NYC, Jamaicans rail
> against other immigrants like the Dominicans who are supposedly stealing
> jobs from Americans. In the final analysis, we can't make a revolution in
> the USA without coming to terms with the white working class that Trotsky
> referred to as a monster in his remarks on Black nationalism in the 1930s.

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