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[Marxism] International Viewpoint on new party in Venezuela --about as bad as could be expected
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- Subject: [Marxism] International Viewpoint on new party in Venezuela --about as bad as could be expected
- From: dwalters@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:41:25 -0400
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Fred, you devolving into "Walter Lippman Lite"....
It seems, after reading the IV article, that its *everthing the opposite* of
what you state:
Fred writes that the new party is opposed to "pro-Chavez managers". No, it
doesn't. You are wrong. Its says *supposedly* <"pro-Chavez managers">, ergo,
just the *opposite* of what you are stated. Here is the important paragraph:
"A leader of the electricity workers, Joaquin Osorio, described how
supposedly pro-Chavez managers in the state electricity company were
persecuting the trade unionists struggling to introduce co-management
there."
So, using Fred's method, then, Fred is FOR fake-pro-Chavez managers and supports
persecuting trade unionists. Well done Fred. Where DO you stand, Fred, on this
situation, which has been report elseware and is a discussion across the UNT in
co-managed state factories? Or, are you taking a Walter Lippman "head-in-sand"
approach so that all these nasty issues can just disappear?
You write that the new party is opposed to the Bolivarian parties. No, it's not,
according the article, it's discussing how to relate to them, how the fit in,
etc. Your comments about them being Posadistas is disgusting and sad,
especially from some who us usually so carefull about what he writes.
The article seems to show a discussion among trade unionists, socialists and
Marxists that *support* the revolution, not "tactically" as Fred projects in
his own insecurity about anyone suggesting deviant political behavior. I wonder
if Fred would get up among these comrades at a UNT meeting and argue that
workers can't criticize the leadership or the government, and, horrors of
horrors, have the audicity to actually *organize* around these political
differences.
You know, I don't anything about the program of this party. I only know what I
know from my own reporters in Caracas and from articles like these. What I do
know is that throwing Marshmellows at revolutionaries *in the revolution* from
New York doesn't add anything to my knoweledge of what actually is going on
there.
David Walters
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