Re: [Marxism] More wiki's

[Lance Murdoch <lancemurdoch@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 7/9/05, Jurriaan Bendien <adsl675281@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I cannot rmember them all but here is some
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_accumulation
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primitive_accumulation
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_value
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_value
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_labour
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_product
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_product
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_added
> 

As I said before, I'm very down on Wikipedia.

There is a new wiki that people here might like - Red Wiki 

http://www.redapollo.org/wiki

There are two anarchist wikis ( http://www.infoshop.org/wiki and
http://eng.anarchopedia.org ).  Then there's two liberal/socdem wikis
- Demopedia and Dkosopedia.

I do most of my contributions to the radical wikis because after a
long time of experience I have given up on Wikipedia.  Look at the
Khmer Rouge page for an example.  I have been fighting on it since
2003 and have gotten nowhere.  To spite me they have made it worse -
they put a picture of a dozen people the CPK was going to execute - if
Wikipedia is a "neutral point of view", how come the US Republican (or
Democratic for that matter) party doesn't have a similar picture? 
It's ridiculous.  I'm not even a fan of the CPK's political line, I
just think the CPK "atrocities" were overdone in the US media, just
like the western media talks about how the evil Vietnamese are still
holding and torturing US soldiers for some reason.  I see the KR
atrocity, POW/MIA thing as some kind of collective hysteria due to the
loss in Vietnam.  Maybe something similar happened in Germany after
World War I with the  Dolchstosslegende.

Since no one on Wikipedia who disagrees with you knows what surplus
value is, you'll probabyl get away with it.  But you won't get away
with being able to edit "profit" or "Economy of the United States" or
"capitalism" or other pages.

The problem is instead of lots of people collaborating on economic
articles on Wikipedia, you'll spend most of your time defending your
work against reactionaries on Wikipedia - and losing.  Of course, most
of these encyclopedias have similar licenses, so you can add your work
to multiple encyclopedias, and work on more than one of them.  So I
suggest that to all, check out the different wiki's.  If you start
fighting with reactionaries on Wikipedia - don't fight them until you
get frustrated and then swear off wiki's altogether.  I've seen it
happen time and time again.  If you start running into problems, have
the "Red Wiki" as your home base for your articles, where you can
collaborate with people, and then venture into Wikipedia when you want
to fight over articles.  I have more peace of mind knowing after
working days at an article, half-witted reactionaries will not descend
on it and destroy it, questioning whether everyone who said Americans
killed people at No Gun Ri, Korea was lying and so forth.  On
Wikipedia they may tear it apart, but on Red Wiki, I can work with
others and collaborate.

Lance

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