Re: [Marxism] Re: [PEN-L] More Godel

["Carlos A. Rivera" <cerejota@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Holt" <rholt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>



> Perhaps.

Compelling argument you provide, and in fact it remains a "perhaps", either
way. Again, I retain my perception, but it is nothing but that, a mere
perception.

> But both the consistency and completeness of number theory is close to an
> article of faith for a materialist, because, for any particular problem,
> the real world is a model (because, among other reasons, the real world is
> ennumerable).

Actually, I think this is hegelian materialism. Diamat (again correct me
people!) actually seems to sustain that the world is *not* ennumerable,
hence they are not articles of faith but part of the dialectic.

I think someone here (cant remember who) compared the HUP with Completeness
in diamat terms, an analogy I digged a lot.

> And, it is on the borderline between the "realness" of the real world
> model and the undecidability of certain problems with ennumerable models
> that Turing gets most interesting.

In this we agree. Turing is more interesting, although I doubt Turing would
have existed without Godel (And others, including physicists like Einstein)

sks


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