Re: [Marxism] Re: Ratzinger elected pope: rightist and disciplinarian in h

[<g.maclennan@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Luko,  

My source for the number of homosexuals in the new recruits 
to the priesthood is a hostile obituary of John Paul 2 in the 
Guardian.  It quoted a survey saying 40% of new priests 
were "gay".  Here in Australia there is anecdotal evidence 
that backs up the American figure.  Indeed my church source 
puts the number of homosexuals at a much higher level.

I don't like describing them as gay, because that to me 
indicates a level of consciousness and "out"-ness that my 
closetted brethren do not have.

Not that that means I do not have sympathy with them.  I do 
and hope they make a swift transition to self-acceptance.

You are all asleep now in Europe and we are just in the noon 
of our day.  I make a little prediction that when you wake up 
it will be to a barely surpressed horror at what the Curia 
has dome in electing Ratzinger.  Naing himself after a 
liberal show that at some level he is aware of the problem,.  
But of course the problem is not an image thing.  It is 
deeply material and structural.  I will try and get time to 
read Deutscher on the semi-comical efforts of the Stalinist 
bureaucracy to reform itself after the death of Stalin and 
then post that.

regards

Gary



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>Date: 19 Apr 2005 22:05:00 GMT
>From: l.willms@xxxxxxxxxxx (Lueko Willms)  
>Subject: [Marxism] Re: Ratzinger elected pope: rightist and 
disciplinarian in h  
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disciplinarian in h
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>gm> Ratzinger's election is like the choice of Brezhnev in 
the
>gm> Soviet union.  At one level it reassures the 
conservatives
>gm> but at another it does nothing to stop the rot within.
>
>   I wanted to write that he may do more damage to the 
church than his  
>predecessor, but because of lacking skills to deal with 
large crowds,  
>may cause the enthusiasm of the youthful followers of John 
Paul II to  
>fade away.
>
>   As I said, the first real big test will come in August in 
Cologne;  
>he will have to speak to several hundredthousands of young 
people.
>
>
>gm> The irony is that this man, Ratzinger, who almost 
certainly
>gm> ghosted the Pope's last book, which denounced 
homosexuality
>gm> as evil is presiding over a church where a near majority 
of
>gm> the recruits  are homosexual.
>
>  This is really ironic, but nonetheless I would be careful 
with  
>numbers, but for sure, this all-male institution is 
certainly very  
>attractive for homosexuals. Well, traditionally, a priest 
had a woman  
>as housekeeper...
>
>
>Yours,
>Lüko Willms                                     
http://www.mlwerke.de
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