Re: [Marxism] Pearl Harbor, etc.

[Duane Roberts <duaneroberts92804@xxxxxxxxx>]

"bob" <bobo926@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> American workers haven't got any real
> interest in wars against the rest of the
> world. Prior to Pearl Harbor, the vast
> majority of Americans wanted no
> part of another war. From Roosevelt's
> perspective (and the rest of the
> section of the ruling class he
> represented) something had to be
> done to change the majority's opinion.
> It was. The 'sacrifice' of 500,000
> lives (with a fair number being members
> of their class) didn't prevent them
> from acting. The existence of a
> ruling class doesn't preclude either
> differences of opinion within that
> class or ruthless tactics by a sector
> of that class against any other sector
> of that class. Competition (sometimes
> to the death) is just part of the
> system.
>
> An attack on Iraq was discussed for years
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> by both Democrats and Republicans, with
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> each accusing the other of being weak.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> But it wasn't possible to pull it
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> off until 911. They wanted to. But
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> they needed something to get the country
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> behind them and they got it.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

But because President George W. Bush and other members
of the American ruling class strongly supported the
idea of attacking Iraq to acquire control of it's vast
oil reserves doesn't prove that any of them secretly
plotted behind closed doors to orchestrate the
destruction of the World Trade Center.

Have you ever thought about the possibility that
September 11th occurred because somebody actually
affected by U.S. imperialism (in this case, a group of
reactionary Saudi Arabian capitalists) had the means
to put into motion a scheme that inflicted an enormous
amount of damage against various targets within the
United States?

Or is it too inconceivable for you to fathom the idea
that some "victims" of U.S. imperialism are capable of
fighting back in such a creative way? The indigenous
peoples of North America mostly threw rocks and took
pot shots at the U.S. Army as it moved across the West
to protect European settlers; but sometimes they
burned down a fort or two.

In addition to this, what about the possibility that
"911" was in fact a major blunder that the Bush
administration successfully turned around and used as
propaganda to scare the public into blindly supporting
other foriegn policy goals that his wing of the ruling
class was interested in pursuing the day he was put
into power?

The late John O'Neill, the FBI's former top "Al Qaeda"
investigator, was quoted by French journalists not too
long before his death (in the "Twin Towers",
ironically) as telling them that "the main obstacles
to investigate Islamic terrorism were U.S. oil
corporate interests and the role played by Saudi
Arabia in it."

What if, as some people have charged, "911" occurred
because White House ties with big U.S. petroleum
companies doing business with the Saudis hampered the
ability of the CIA, FBI, and other law enforcement
agencies to investigate "Al Qaeda" and take
appropriate action to prevent it from going about its
dastardly deeds?

Methinks all this endless speculation on whether or
not "Bush knew" or that somebody in the American
ruling class plotted "911" while drunk at a cocktail
party tends to divert time and attention away from
analyzing the underlying material conditions that
really drive history.

> From their point of view, the loss of
> a thousand stockbrokers and bankers
> and a handful of generals isn't a very
> large cost given the changes it brought
> about. You'll notice that the
> Washington plane didn't hit the
> White House or the Capitol.

So what? Because "the Washington plane didn't hit the
White House or the Capitol" doesn't mean anything.
Perhaps the hijackers who took control of that
aircraft faced the misfortune of having to confront a
mob of unruly passengers who weren't as willing as the
others to allow their bodies to become a part of the
stucco? Maybe that's why it never reached it's
designated target.

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts
duaneroberts92804@xxxxxxxxx


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