Re: [Marxism] Re: WTC collapse

["bob" <bobo926@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Given your tone, it seems I've touched a raw nerve.

Rather than either Zinn or Jared Israel, try reading Day Of Deceit: The
Truth About FDR and Pearl Harbor by Robert Stinnett. He produces xerox
copies of the incriminating memos from/to Roosevelt. It took him decades to
get the documents released.

American workers haven't got any real interest in wars against the rest of
the world. Prior to Pearl Harbor, the vast majority of Americans wanted no
part of another war. From Roosevelt's perspective (and the rest of the
section of the ruling class he represented) something had to be done to
change the majority's opinion. It was. The 'sacrifice' of 500,000 lives
(with a fair number being members of their class) didn't prevent them from
acting. The existence of a ruling class doesn't preclude either differences
of opinion within that class or ruthless tactics by a sector of that class
against any other sector of that class. Competition (sometimes to the death)
is just part of the system.

An attack on Iraq was discussed for years by both Democrats and Republicans,
with each accusing the other of being weak. But it wasn't possible to pull
it off until 911. They wanted to. But they needed something to get the
country behind them and they got it.

> From their point of view, the loss of a thousand stockbrokers and bankers
and a handful of generals isn't a very large cost given the changes it
brought about. You'll notice that the Washington plane didn't hit the White
House or the Capitol.

And yes I've read Domhoff and I'm aware of Kerry's lineage and neither has
anything to do with what we're talking about.

I really don't see the point of acknowledging conspiracies regarding the
Vietnam war, the assassination of King or the vanishing WMDs but rejecting
those regarding Roosevelt and Bush which resulted in massive support for
wars which had no backing just days before Pearl Harbor and 911.

bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition"
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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re: WTC collapse


> Bob wrote:
> > Should we accept the explanation that Martin Luther King was killed by an
> > assassin operating on his own?
>
> For pete's sake, man. The ruling class of the USA regarded MLK Jr. (and
> Malcolm X) as an uppity nigger. It is not far-fetched to imagine the CIA
> or FBI having a hand in killing Black leaders, especially in light of J.
> Edgar Hoover's business about preventing the rise of a Black messiah.
>
> But the WTC and the Pentagon were filled with people that the ruling class
> has ties to, from investment bankers in the WTC to systems analysts in the
> Pentagon figuring out new counter-insurgency techniques. These types of
> class loyalties run very deep. They account for the failure of the
> Democratic Party to oppose Bush in any serious fashion. Just look at
> Kerry's lineage. These people have old school ties. Just read Domhoff's
> "Who Rules America".
>
> And before you answer that FDR plotted to allow the Japanese to mount a
> surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, I'd recommend that you read Howard Zinn's
> account in "People's History of the USA." He rejects this interpretation
> vehemently. Between Zinn and Jared Israel, I'll go with the former...
>
>
>
> Louis Proyect
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