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Re: [Marxism] More conspiracy theories: Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions PART 1
- To: Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Marxism] More conspiracy theories: Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions PART 1
- From: Louis Proyect <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 16:13:43 -0500
David O. Quarter wrote:
The Bush administration has received backing for renditions from
governments that
have been criticized for their human rights records, including Egypt,
Jordan and
Pakistan, where many of the suspects are taken for interrogation. But the
administration is getting a much different reception in Europe, where
lawmakers and
prosecutors are questioning whether the practice is a blatant violation of
local
sovereignty and human rights.
What does this have to do with conspiracy theory? The policy of sending
prisoners off to such countries where they may be tortured or killed is
common knowledge. This is not a "conspiracy". It is violation of due
process openly defended by White House officials. It is no more of a
conspiracy than sending the Rosenbergs to the chair.
9/11 is an entirely different story. It has spawned endless speculation
utterly detached from empirical observation. There have been claims that
Israeli employees left the WTC en masse just before the attack as if they
had been tipped off. There have been claims that no airplane was seen
flying into the Pentagon, which leaves open the question of whether there
had actually been a scheduled flight that day or even a hijacking. There
have been claims that the fall of the towers assumes the dynamics of
buildings being dynamited. There have been claims that currency speculation
of a very unusual sort took place in the day before 9/11.
I consider all this to be idle speculation of ZERO interest to Marxists,
although for some people it might have the entertainment value of the
X-Files TV show.
The only thing worth discussing about 9/11 is the development of political
Islam. The first attack on the WTC, the other attacks in Africa and Spain
and elsewhere, are symptoms of a desperation brought on by the collapse of
secular, radical politics in the Arab and Islamic world. That is something
for us to come to grips with, not the temperature at which steel melts or
the shape of a hole left by an airplane crash.
Louis Proyect
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- Thread context:
- [Marxism] Christian Zionist plot to topple Iran???,
davidquarter Sun 13 Mar 2005, 20:48 GMT
- [Marxism] Conspiracy theory or genuine concern?,
davidquarter Sun 13 Mar 2005, 20:35 GMT
- [Marxism] More conspiracy theories: Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions PART 2,
davidquarter Sun 13 Mar 2005, 20:28 GMT
- [Marxism] More conspiracy theories: Europeans Investigate CIA Role in Abductions PART 1,
davidquarter Sun 13 Mar 2005, 20:27 GMT
- [Marxism] Fw: Ex-Marine Says Public Version of Saddam Capture Fiction,
Raymond Chase Sun 13 Mar 2005, 20:08 GMT
- [Marxism] Douthat,
Louis Proyect Sun 13 Mar 2005, 19:56 GMT
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