RE: [Marxism] re: On 9/11 (was Re: conspiracy)

[davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx]

On 10 Mar 2005 at 22:46, Mark Lause wrote:

> davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote "that doesn't eliminate the possibility
> that the U.S. administration knew about an impending attack and didn't
> act to prevent it, or even, given the benefits it would provide them in
> the foreign policy arena (which wasn't hard to predict), helped
> (encouraged?) the attackers along, via the CIA.  That doesn't in my mind
> make it a
> conspiracy theory, it makes it a really plausible theory..."
>
> Actually, it doesn't eliminate the possibility that ritual Satanic child
> abusers did it...or aliens...or members of Marxmail.  Rather
> predictably, this discussion has led us pretty quickly to the assertion
> of belief being whatever can't be disproved.
>
> Solidarity!
> Mark L.
>

Yes, this is  obviously the work of ritual Satanic child abusers and aliens... 
You
never cease to annoy...

 I was responding to Junaid remarks ( stated on many occasions at Marxmail)  
that
since there is a lot of people around the world (but *particularly Arabs) with
a gripe against the  U.S., this automatically makes the U.S. (CIA-role) theory
unfounded/implausible. In terms of what we know from info.available, at the very
least, Bush and company (the secret service) was aware of an impending attack. 
On
the day of the attack, there was none of the usual precautions/preparation taken
against airline highjackings.
And then after it occured,  the white house went to some trouble to protect 
individuals,
 agencies (e.g., the Pakistani secret service)
connected to the  attackers. Junaid refuses to even* consider* this (or any 
info. )
pointing to a U.S. role, since, in his words:

>>>>the primary problem with conspiracy theories about 9-11 is that -
somewhat ironically -  they deny the primacy of human agency. I don't
think an intricate CIA plot was necessary for the attack to have
happened for a very simple reason: a few hundred thousand dead Arabs is
more than enough impetus for some of them to have wanted to exact
revenge. That was the political calculus of bin Ladenism - we cannot hit
the tyrannies locally, so let us attack the paymaster directly. The
anger was channelled at the source: America.>>>>

In the words,  Junaid is  hesitant about his position -- "I don't think" -- yet 
persists to
dismiss the  "conspiracy" claims about 9-11  that, in his convoluted reasoning, 
deny
the primacy of human agency (?).

Not that 9-11 changed my opinion of the U.S., since what's 3000 or so dead in 
the
grand scheme of U.S. foreign policy? But it's worth pointing out the hole in 
Junaid's
argument.

solidarity!

DOQ





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