[Marxism] picking on the handicapped-learning disabilities in cyber space

[jerry foster <jerry41_99@xxxxxxxxx>]

You've quite possibly started a ruckus- with every
meowist in the universe after your ass- after your
bubba vakian jab-you didn't necessarily take the high
road but-I will secretly enjoy the show-Now about
meowist's and drool-I don't know who(m) to compare
them with historically but bubba vakian seems an
adequate description for the present history- You are
a bad boy.but well said again    Billy Bob
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> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 13:59:48 -0500
> From: Mike Friedman <mikedf@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Marxism] Jared Diamond: The Ends of the
> World as We Know
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> Interesting article by Jared Diamond. As I've noted
> before, he attempts to
> understand historical trends (social collapses) from
> a materialist, but not
> a dialectical perspective: i.e., his explanations
> are rigidly deterministic
> and reductionist. Absent from his analyses is the
> role played by class and
> class conflict as social relations underlying the
> birth and death of
> civilizations. Particularly glaring is his failure
> to understand the role of
> imperialism in his five "interacting factors." He
> sees societies as these
> sort of Weberian amorphous structures, in which
> there may be stratification
> and the "elites" may even be able to insulate
> themselves, from the ills of
> society (caused by us all), but there is no sense of
> a class dynamic to
> those ills. He approaches the issue of social
> collapse from the point of
> view of a biologist that has read bourgeois
> sociology textbooks. Still, this
> column, from the SftP listserve is interesting and
> not all wrong.
>
>
> Mike
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>
> > http://www.truthout.org/docs_05/010205Y.shtml
> >
>
> The Ends of the World as We Know Them
> By Jared Diamond
> The New York Times
>
> Saturday 01 January 2005
>
> Los Angeles - New Year's weekend traditionally is a
> time for us to reflect,
> and to make resolutions based on our reflections.
> In this fresh year, with
> the United States seemingly at the height of its
> power and at the start of a
> new presidential term, Americans are increasingly
> concerned and divided
> about where we are going.  How long can America
> remain ascendant?  Where
> will we stand 10 years from now, or even next year?
>
> Such questions seem especially appropriate this
> year.  History warns us that
> when once-powerful societies collapse, they tend to
> do so quickly and
> unexpectedly.  That shouldn't come as much of a
> surprise:  peak power
> usually means peak population, peak needs, and hence
> peak vulnerability.
> What can be learned from history that could help us
> avoid joining the ranks
> of those who declined swiftly?  We must expect the
> answers to be complex,
> because historical reality is complex: while some
> societies did indeed
> collapse spectacularly, others have managed to
> thrive for thousands of years
> without major reversal.
>
> When it comes to historical collapses, five groups
> of interacting factors
> have been especially important:
> - the damage that people have inflicted on their
> environment;
> - climate change;
> - enemies;
> - changes in friendly trading partners;
> - and the society's political, economic and social
> responses to these
> shifts.
>
> That's not to say that all five causes play a role
> in every case. Instead,
> think of this as a useful checklist of factors that
> should be examined, but
> whose relative importance varies from case to case.
>
> For instance, in the collapse of the Polynesian
> society on Easter Island
> three centuries ago, environmental problems were
> dominant, and climate
> change, enemies and trade were insignificant;
> however, the latter three
> factors played big roles in the disappearance of the
> medieval Norse colonies
> on Greenland.  Let's consider two examples of
> declines stemming from
> different mixes of causes: the falls of classic Maya
> civilization and of
> Polynesian settlements on the Pitcairn Islands.
>
> Maya Native Americans of the Yucatan Peninsula and
> adjacent parts of Central
> America developed the New World's most advanced
> civilization before
> Columbus. They were innovators in writing,
> astronomy, architecture and art.
> >From local origins around 2,500 years ago, Maya
> societies rose especially
> after the year A.D. 250, reaching peaks of
> population and sophistication in
> the late 8th century.
>
> Thereafter, societies in the most densely populated
> areas of the southern
> Yucatan underwent a steep political and cultural
> collapse: between 760 and
> 910, kings were overthrown, large areas were
> abandoned, and at least 90
> percent of the population disappeared, leaving
> cities to become overgrown by
> jungle.  The last known date recorded on a Maya
> monument by their so-called
> Long Count calendar corresponds to the year 909.
> What happened?
>
> A major factor was environmental degradation by
> people: deforestation, soil
> erosion and water management problems, all of which
> resulted in less food.
> Those problems were exacerbated by droughts, which
> may have been partly
> caused by humans themselves through deforestation.
> Chronic warfare made
>
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