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[Marxism] The Slavery Amendment and The Guantanamo Prisoners
>What about the Guantanamo situation suggests "servitude"? I haven't
heard about Gitmo prisoners being subjected to forced labor or assigned
to any form of work detail, for that matter.
>Stuart Lawrence
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I had just finished rewriting this when I saw Stuart's question. The
answer is implied in the amendment itself where it states that
"involuntary servitude" is acceptable so long as it is for a crime and,
of course, prisoners are criminals.
However, let's look at the word slavery as well. You can be a slave,
i.e., held by another without being required to work. You are a slave
as soon as you are captured, whether in Africa in the 18th century or
in Afghanistan. You are a slave if you are put a slave ship for
transportation or strung in a line or in a holding pen.
The definitions given in googling "slavery" point out that slavery,
above all, means that you are under the control of another person,
although "ownership" is also emphasized. But aren't prisoners who are
completely under the control of a prisoner system that says they can be
held indefinitely without trial--aren't they slaves?
Brian
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13th. Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a
punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their
jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by
appropriate legislation.
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Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2:
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended,
unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety require
it."
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When thinking of the legal rights of prisoners in Guantanamo, it is the
writ of habeas corpus that is most commonly referenced. Its importance
as one of our freedoms is indeed very striking, for it is the only
"right" that is actually part of the original Constitution rather than
the 10 clauses of the original "Bill of Rights."
However, no one ever thought that any sort of confinement would, in any
case, be for very long. The phrasing of the habeas corpus clause
implies only a "suspension." Excluding scientific use of the word
involving liquids and the holding of something, "suspension" means
"temporary" or "interruption." It certainly does not mean three years
as at Guantanamo.
Notice also that the constitutional description also implies that some
sort of formal act must “suspend” habeas corpus. As noted by Justice
Scalia in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, neither Congress nor the Executive have
passed an act or made a finding or declaration suspending habeas corpus
for U.S. prisoners at Guantanamo. Perhaps the reason for this is that
the government lawyers would have to deal with the "temporary"
character of the "suspension" of habeas corpus.
However, an even more powerful legal case might be made for the 13th
Amendment, the amendment that outlaws slavery. The words are an exact
fit for the prisoners at Guantanamo. There is "involuntary servitude",
"duly convicted ... for crime", and "any place subject to their
jurisdiction."
I believe that the wording of the 13th Amendment clarifies what the
"founders" meant when they included the habeas corpus clause. If the
Supreme Court used it as a guide, it would erase invidious distinctions
regarding "enemy combatants" and "territorial jurisdiction."
Certainly Guantanamo Bay is "subject to [the United States]
jurisdiction," whether jurisdiction is used in a legal sense or in the
sense of control. It is a described place on earth occupied by the
United States; i.e., it is not the high seas, Antarctica, or outer
space. It is under the control of the U.S. military, whose ultimate
commander-in-chief is the President of the United States. His or her
power derives solely from the U.S. Constitution.
The further advantage of the 13th Amendment argument is that is not
restricted to "citizens" of the United States. This is because when it
was passed, slaves were not citizens. In order to end slavery, the
amendment had to describe a condition affecting persons in general.
Thus we have "neither slavery nor involuntary servitude" without any
reference to what class of persons to whom such condition may apply.
Citizen is in fact defined in the 14th Amendment, but the word citizen
does not appear in the 13th Amendment, only the word "party."
Most appropriate to the Guantanamo prisoners is the distinction that
there can in fact be confinement for crime IF the person (NB again, not
citizen, but "party") is "duly convicted." To be convicted, there must
be trial, possibly under court martial rules, but in any case one in
which there must be charges and evidence.
from Brian Shannon
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