[Marxism] Re: [laborpartypraxis] RE: Statement on Haiti

[Mike Friedman <mikedf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

This is just puerile rhetoric and name-calling  (flaming) -- economicist
jargon -- repeated over and over again. There's not even any content to
these "criticisms." Who is this guy? A pimple-faced teenager? He should
know that we expect a somewhat higher level of discourse here.

Mike

At 11:45 AM 1/16/2005, you wrote:
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 04:38:27 -0800
> From: "Aduku Addae" <countrybwoy@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Marxism] Re: [laborpartypraxis] RE:  Statement on Haiti
> To: <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,      <laborpartypraxis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>
> My brother Joe,
> My comments to this Joaquins mumbo jumbo is in the square bracket in blue.
> See below.
> Respect,
> Aduku
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> [The "national question" is irreducibly the "class
> question"]
>
>  [What! Just so? Categorically? No argument? Is this
> some goddamn papal edict? ]
>
> [Lenin? Lenin is the
> paramount bourgeois ideologist].
>
>  [Absolutely! It is objectively so for
> all classes].
>
>  [At the base of the class struggle is the economic
> struggle. The essence, then, of class struggle is economics].
>
> [Essence is not revealed
> by apprehension of superficial characteristics. We have to go beyond what we
> notice immediately to grasp the inner-workings - the essential qualities].
>
> [ This is a rehash of
> the old "popular front line" which subordinated the interest of the
> proletariat to that of the 3rd bourgeoisie.   The class struggle is it.
> Period! The proletariat in the 3rd world must rise up against the
> bourgeoisie in a bold bid for control of the state, ultimately to
> expropriate the expropriator].
>
> [Is this guy serious? No, it is not
> sufficient to draw a line between all toilers and all exploiters. It is
> necessary to ACT to expropriate bourgeois property!]
>
>  [At "first blush, what the heck is this
> guy talking about?" The struggle of the working class has but one aim -
> economic liberation. The working class wants to be liberated from wage
> slavery. Period. End of story.]
>
> [That moment has come and gone, if there was such a
> moment. As far as I am concerned there never was such a moment. The struggle
> is Capital against labor and has always been that! Workers must create their
> own organizations for their own self-liberation. There is no cause, no
> basis, for compromise with the bourgeoisie.]
>
> [The so-called dialectic between the national and class movement
> is that the proletariat smash the bourgeois state and impose its own class
> rule.]
>
>  [ And since this Joaquin brings up Cuba, the
> so-called dialectic of  class and national movement is that the Cuban
> working class smash the Cuban state, which is based on an economy of wage
> labor! This is the dialectic! The only fucking dialectic worth speaking
> about!!!]


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