Re: [Marxism] Radek and National-Bolshevism

["Carlos A. Rivera" <cerejota@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: "Zivko Vukolaj" <zivko_vukolaj@xxxxxxxxxxx>



> I think that Carlos is streching the definition of national-bolshevism a
> tiny bit too far here. [snip]
>
> These are my opinions, anyway. To equal Limonov or Dugin to Radek just
> seems plainly absurd.

You approach the question in reverse. You take modern self-described
"National-Bolsheviks", and then view the historical national-bolsheviks
through them. This is plainly absurd, all right.

But it obviously demonstrates that you have not even a pedestrian knowledge
of the development of national-bolshevism as a label, and as ideological
world-view. For example, Radek, Lauffenberg, and others called THEMSELVES
"National Bolsheviks".

The first time I can recall the phrase "National Bolshevism" was in a 1918
(1919?) speech by Bela Kun, the Hungrarian revolutionary and leader of the
ill-fated Hungrarian Soviet Republic. He called himself "National
Bolshevik", and Radek and others adopted the label, with various degrees of
ideology (some of these national bolsheviks were to be loyal Cominternists,
others became nazis, others like radek, who knows)

Lenin himself in his debate pamphlet "Left-wing Communism: An infantile
disorder" debates against national bolsheviks, Radek among them. If Lenin
viewed Radek as a National Bolshevik, I am more than willing to differ to
Lenin on this question.

That Limonov appropiated the label for his post-modernist joke of an
ideology, does not change the historical FACT that Radek and CO, were indeed
national bolsheviks, and furthermore, that their theories and actions
represent part of the political traditions that led to Limonov's national
bolshevism.

We could debate if Radek would agree with Liminov today, but this would be
like debating if Engels would agree with today's SPD.

An intersting dicussion fer sure, and you raise some points regarding it I
agree with, but one that won't change the facts that Radek was a national
bolshevik or that Engels was a social-democrat.

sks


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