Re: Subject: [Marxism] Popper

["Nestor Gorojovsky" <nestorgoro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Respuesta a: Re: Subject: [Marxism] Popper
Remitido por: Jim Farmelant
Fecha: Viernes 31 de Diciembre de 2004 
Hora: 21:40
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> Popper it should be noted, leaned towards to the Austrian
> Social Democrats' anti-Marxist wing, which championed
> the revisionism of Eduard Bernstein against the dominant
> Austro-Marxism.

Thus, and sorry if this sounds extremely harsh to those who respect 
him, he deserves the words that Lenin spit on the whole gang: "And is 
it you, who sent 16 million people to death, who dare to judge us?"

The links between social-democracy and fascism are more subtle than 
many may imagine.  Need I remind people on this list that it was the 
Social Democrat Walther Christaller who, during the Weimar Republic, 
drafted the plans for Autobahnen that Nazis would carry to 
realization and, most seriously yet, provided the theoretical base 
for their actions of territorial planning in Eastern Europe with his 
Central Place Theory?  And need I remind you that it was not a Neo 
Fascist, but a Social Democrat who, commenting on the current 
neocolonial expansion of the European Union on Central Eastern 
Europe, joyfully declared that "at last, Germany has obtained by 
peaceful means this that we strove to obtain through war two times, 
and failed"?

This has little, if anything, to do not only with socialism but even 
with Bismarkian German nationalism (not to speak of Rhineland 
democratic nationalism such as proved its impotence in 1848).

There are some excellent pages on Jorge Enea Spilimbergo's _La 
cuestión nacional en Marx_, which show that Hitlerian conceptions 
were rooted in the Austrian, not in the Bismarckian German, 
conception of society.  And, to be honest, I believe that there are 
lots of things we would learn from a thorough study of that rotten 
multinational empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which was so 
influent on the current ideologists of today's Anglo Saxon powers, 
specially by way of émigré Social Democrats who fled to London and 
New York duirng the 30s.

Many of the basic traits of our current world, from apartheid to 
extremist neo-liberal economics, can be traced back to that stinking 
Pandora's box of Central Europe.  Popper included.  I am completely 
against this, from same mail:

"It turned out to be fortitious for Popper that the critique of 
Marxism which had originally been forged in the context of the 
debates of the Austrian Social Democrats turned out to
especially useful for the cold warriors in waging ideological warfare 
against the Soviet Union."

Not fortitious.  Not at all.


Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
nestorgoro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Buenos Aires, 1822
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