Re: [Marxism] Camejo and Shawki/ISO and so it goes...

[paul bunyan <cutemdown2003@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ilyenkova@xxxxxxx wrote:

>. The challenge for the ISO is to plant its other foot in that
>reality by breaking with the Cliffite state capitalism theoretical tradition.
>ISO rank and filers know the theory doesn't hold water, can't account for
>what's happened in the former Soviet bloc, and poses obstacles for 
>>comprehending and relating to struggles like the one in Venezuela and 
>>defence of the Cuban workers state. class
>issues. .
>.....I agree partially with Joe-- to attract people like myself the ISO must 
>make
>a genuine break with the State Capitalist tradition because it will keep them
>locked into a sectarian and economistic methodology.

If the State Capitalist tradition is an impediment for growth for the ISO, why 
is the ISO, outside of the Social-Dem tendencies one of the largest groups on 
the US left (the CP may be larger, I don't know)? By comparison the tendencies 
with the traditional Trotskyist theories of "workers states" or uncritical 
support of the Cuban leadership have either dissolved or are only shells of 
their former selves (SWP, Sparts, and Socialist Action come to mind).

                
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