Re: [Marxism] 'The West sets Terrorists on Russia'...,

["David Quarter" <davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

 Leaping over the ad hominen nonsense:


> "...if it's indeed  that case that the points brought up in the article
> are so easily
>
> refutable then by all means refute them."
>
> "Refute" them? Just because you post some  "analysis" from some
> no-name website, all of a sudden it is deserving of some kind of "refuting"?
> It's already been torn apart, first of all, and it's a mark of your own 
> intellectual poverty
> that you peddle third-rate articles from fourth-rate websites, which
> are merely commentary anyway, to avoid actually having to defend your 
> position directly.
>
> You conjure up all this murky conspiracy theorizing about devious NATO 
> interests
> insidiously undermining Russia through some kind of Chechen prop. In your head
> apparently one is only anti-imperialist when the imperialist is the United 
> States.
> This is most pathetic and rudimentary failure in logic. You can't even face up
> to the fact that Russia leveled Grozny 10 years ago and has been brutalizing
> its people for quite some time - you are like the Spartacists defending the
> glorious Soviet liberation of Afghanistan, except this time around the
> Great Russian Chauvinist has long since lost his "socialist" garb.
>
> This is rendered all the more ridiculous by your purported defense of the 
> Palestinians.
> So what's the story? In Palestine suicide bombing happens because of Zionist 
> colonialism,
> but in Russia it's because of 72 virgins, or what? I'd really like to hear 
> the rationale
> behind this blatant hypocrisy.
>  No one really needs to "set terrorists" on Russia, since Russia does a 
> splendid job
> of setting them on itself. Unless you can prove that a US agency is financing
> any actual group of Chechen rebels your contention is absurd at face 
> value.>>>>

to something of substance:


> Last time I checked the US never exactly came rushing to the
aid of the Chechens,
> not when they were under heavy artillery siege a few years back,
and certainly
> not now.
>

  Because the U.S. "never exactly came rushing to the aid of the
Chechens" and they don't now call for an all out invasion of Russia
means nothing. Policies change. Russia also isn't any old country.
Like North Korea, it can actually defend itself, which is *probably*
why, like North Korea, the U.S. has been somewhat reluctant to
take military action there.

I suppose too that all the fawning by the western media of the poor
old Oliglarghs's treatment at the hands of Putin -- that too is ALL
just a concoction of my imagination, eh?

And the U.S.'s role in the coup D'etat against Svevernaze
(spelling), the installment of  the western educated,Georgian neo-
liberals -- that too I must have imagined???



U.S.and NATO maneovering in the Causasus for the last little while
-- eg., their enthusiatic ideological and financial support for most of
the former Russian satellites, particularly Geogia (including
Georgia's campaign to annihilate it's breakaway republic, a
terriitory who Georgia stated a couple of weeks back it would
"crush", which I don't incidentally see YOU coming out in defence
of....what happened to all that concerin for oppressed minorities?),
it's ongoing campaign against BellaRussia, and yes, the stance of
the western media in response to the Beslan slauthter is my proof!
You might have your "proof" to "support" your position.  There has
certainly been some far right zionist-run rags in North America and
Britian who opportunely use BEeslan to support the Zionist cuase.
If that's your and Louis Proyect's "proof" that the U.S. loves Putin,
then so be it.

Time will obviously tell who the right party is here.


Certaintly to say that there is NO proof of any malevolent intentions
towards Putin/Russia because the U.S. hasn't come out salivating
with glee at the Belsan slauthter and because there has been no
formal plans announced by the U.S. for an invasion of Russia is  no
less of a logical leap than my position on this matter. I had already
provided quite a few articles  to support my position. You point to
one apparently suspect source and say"...ah hah...a
conspiracy!...This proves I'm write and...ah hoy!... that, yet again,
David Quarter is a quack".   There is certainly A LOT pointing in the
direction of a concerted campaign to undermine Putin, including
what I already mentioned above, as well as the obvious parallels
with the stance of the "liberal" media towards Russia with
Chechnya and the previous treatment of the Serbs and Milosevic
vis a vis Kosovo (Obviously not yet to the proportions of the
demonization campaign  against Milosevic at the height of U.S.
attack against Yugoslavia, though time does move quickly along).
There there was the half arsed apology by the west and the U.S.
towards the Beslan slaughter, the demand by the EU official that
that  Putin "fess up" to the slaughter, as if to say that that
somehow the Russian security forces were to blame for the 100s of
children killed. All imagined too, I suppose.

 Again, time will time who is right party here. I will hold you to your
words.  In the meantime, continue on with your radical work with
yournal writing and editing, etc, and I'll go about my business. I
have nothing more to say on this matter at this time.

DOQ




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