Re: [Marxism] Camejo to speak at CCNY

[Michael Feldman <mr.feldman@xxxxxxxxx>]

Joaquin, what do you mean "social sectors in motion"? Excuse me for my
non-academic mind but I find that term confusing. Everything is in
motion, everything is connected. Isn't looking at "sectors"
archetypal? Hmmm.

You state: "The Nader campaigns and the Camejo campaigns are
unprecedented in living
memory, and way MORE revolutionary than all the members of all the sects
shouting in unison "down with capitalism, up with socialism."

Interesting, but how do you measure something being revolutionary?
Let's see, you state: "That because Nader and Camejo in their
individual previous campaigns and in
this joint campaign have figured out how to reach millions of people with a
message that points in the direction of the independent organization of
working people as a political force."

Um, what independent organization of working people? A political force
for what? For bleakness and abstractions?

Let's move on, you state: "This message, that the two-party system is
one animal with two heads that
feed from the same trough, that it is controlled by the rich and corporate
elite, and that therefore regular people, working people, need *their own*
party is precisely the *right* Marxist message."

Rich, corporate, elite, are you scared to use the word capitalist for
some reason? Yes I agree working people need their own party, but
Nader/Camejo aren't running on the same political party in every
state. They don't have a political party. How does voting for
progressive capitalist politicians build an independent party of the
working and oppressed classes? It doesn't.

You state: "Marxism isn't about convincing people by preaching at them
that socialism is
necessary. That is an idealist, utopian socialist approach. Marxist activism
is about engaging working people starting from their current level of
consciousness in such a way as to push them forward on the road towards
organizing themselves as an independent political force."


Actually Marxism is about explaining the need for socialism. Unless
you see socialism as utopian and idealist, I don't see why this would
bother you. Do you have some kind of sect-phobia? Just because alot of
different Marxist sects wax on about socialist revolution doesn't take
away from the fact that we are fighting for one.

You state: "As for your statements that Nader and Camejo are
ideological supporters of
the capitalists system, I would say: prove it."

Their campaign speaks for itself. WHERE is their critque of
capitalism? WHERE is their claim for WORKING CLASS independence? Is it
just enough for you that they are fighting the two party system that
you can disregard your principles? Your tactics must flow from your
principles.


--
Woe be unto him who tries to isolate one department of knowledge from
the rest. All science is one. Language, literature and history,
physics, math and philosophy--subjects which seem the most remote from
one another--are in reality connected, or rather they all form a
single system.
--Jules Michelet

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