Re: [Marxism] Re: Marx, Engels and the National Question

["Nestor Gorojovsky" <nestorgoro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Respuesta a: [Marxism] Re: Marx, Engels and the National Quest
Remitido por: Lueko Willms
Fecha: Viernes 24 de Septiembre de 2004 
Hora: 7:48
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>    The slogan that a nation which oppresses another nation forges its 
>    own
> chains dit not originate from Marx' and Engels' deepening 
> understanding of the anglo-irish relations.
> 

The slogan had been exposed, for the first time, at the meeting of 
the Cortes de Cádiz during the early 1810s, by an American deputy, 
the Inca Yupanqui.  This was the answer of the Americans to the 
Spanish deputies who were very liberal and revolutionaries but wanted 
to keep America as a colony, not as an equal within a great Empire 
(this was, in fact, one of the reasons for their defeat both in 
America and in Europe).

Some argue, quite convincingly, that it was through Marx's readings 
of Spanish history (particularly of the proceedings of the Cádiz 
meeting) that the slogan kept hammering somewhere in M&E's heads.  
And that, later on, they discovered that though this is not something 
that can be applied without consideration to particular, concrete, 
conditions, it is a very consistent trend of imperialism: to generate 
colonialist partnerships between metropolitan exploited and their 
rulers against colonized peoples.

I am trying to look beneath the waters, and to find out what is it 
really what Lüko and Phil debate on this issue.

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
nestorgoro@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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"Sí, una sola debe ser la patria de los sudamericanos".
Simón Bolívar al gobierno secesionista y disgregador de 
Buenos Aires, 1822
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