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[Marxism] Re: Zionists and Nazis
- To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: [Marxism] Re: Zionists and Nazis
- From: Macdonald Stainsby <mstainsby@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:42:47 -0700
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marxism-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
"Ben-Gurion hoped that the Nazis victory would become 'a fertile force'
for Zionism." (p. 18)
article that's a must read:
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html
As far as whether or not we debate or discuss things with open Zionists,
why is it permissable to speak with these anti-Arab racists while we would
(rightly) expect the expulsion of any known anti-Semites and Holocaust
deniers, or Afrikaner apologists?
It is the most anti human form of racism that is known as "tolerance" when
it comes to people who would deny an entire people their right to exist in
their own homeland.
This kind of cultural racism is something we in the first world have been
guilty of since the Nakba, and it is time we stopped sacrificing the real
anti-racist rights of Palestinians and Arabs to expect their allies on the
self-decribed revolutionary left to stand against the racist shit that they
endure everytime we give YET MORE space to Zionist racism.
Zionism, currently sacrificing the decades of good will that a level of
education against the horrors of the Nazi Holocaust brought and recreating
the most dangerous global anti-Semitic climates by making their genocidal
attacks done "in the name of the Jewish state".
Our movements, varied as the times over the last few years, have had one
thing I appreciate as a "new" thing to organizing. The idea that we
mustlive with the principles we want for tomorrow today. That means making
certain that expediency not be placed above the democratic participation of
all members and individuals in coalitions. It means not patting a feminist
critique on the head when it appears in the *forms* of organizing, it also
means that no racists-- whether anti-black white supremacists, no Zionists,
no anti-Semites. It means not letting homophobia sit by the wayside in
order to maintain links with religious groups.
Zionism must be isolated out of the acceptable parameters of our movement.
Fear of isolation? Nonesense. It is also racist against Jews to say they
will benefit from people putting up with the notion that the Zionist racism
of the pro-Israeli supporters can somehow be overlooked and worked around.
It basically says that "Jews are too stupid to understand basic human
rights and international law, so we give them a free pass".
--
Macdonald Stainsby
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/rad-green
In the contradiction lies the hope
--Brecht.
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- Thread context:
- RE: Zionism and Nazism, during the early 1930s [was Re: [Marxism] Re: anti-semitism andIsrael],
Craven, Jim Wed 21 Apr 2004, 17:21 GMT
- [Marxism] Re: Gay Liberation,
Macdonald Stainsby Wed 21 Apr 2004, 17:07 GMT
- [Marxism] Tolkien and radical ecology in the Sixties.,
WSheasby Wed 21 Apr 2004, 17:04 GMT
- [Marxism] Re: Zionists and Nazis,
Macdonald Stainsby Wed 21 Apr 2004, 16:44 GMT
- [Marxism] Not Anthony Eden, sorry,
Nestor Gorojovsky Wed 21 Apr 2004, 16:43 GMT
- [Marxism] Re: "Gas and Water Socialism": Reply to Eamon McCann by Philip Ferguson,
James Daly Wed 21 Apr 2004, 16:28 GMT
- [Marxism] FW: A Parable,
Craven, Jim Wed 21 Apr 2004, 15:00 GMT
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