Re: [Marxism] RE: Mel Gibson and Opus Dei

["David Quarter" <davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

  I mean why fight  the fascistic, S.A. apatheid supporting ADL-led
zionist estblishment when you have the heterosexist Mel Gibson
and his 80-plus year "holocaust denying" pups to worry about.

Great strategy comrades!




From:                   "Paul H. Dillon" <illonph@xxxxxxxxxxx>

>   Carrol,
>
>   I beg to disagree about how we deal with the activities of Opus Dei.  I
> believe that exposing them for the reactionary, counter-revolutionary
> organization they are is very important.   The mere fact that this movie is
> pulling their name into the open might  lead people to explore their leading
> roles in aiding repressive governments throughout the world, their
> unswerving opposition to Liberation Theology and persecution of its
> practitioners, and countless other reactionary activities.  Now Gibson is
> winning them converts.  Does one need say more?
>
>   Paul
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Craven, Jim" <JCraven@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>   Can someone who thinks the Pope is very close to being the anti-christ,
>   as Gibson does, _also_ be close to an organization that same pope
>   favors? Let's not be more ridiculous than we have to be.
>
>   This searching for conspiratorial groups (even when partly true) is a
>   serious deflection from the tasks of building a mass resistance movement
>   to capital.
>
>   Carrol
>
>
>   Response: I have heard, but have never seen any quotes from Gibson
>   calling the pope the anti-Christ (I prefer lying hypocrite, megalomaniac
>   and cia operative myself) and it may be as both his parents are
>   Holocaust deniers, ultra-rightists and perhaps even anti-papists. But
>   Gibson is definitely on a new page now as he is indeed a member of Opus
>   Dei (I just thought perhaps it was all the whips-n-chains and bondage
>   stuff Opus Dei is into that perhaps influenced Gibson's focus on
>   salacious and gratuitous violence of the cruxifiction).
>
>   Now I am wide open on suggestions on "What is to be Done" to build a
>   mass resistance movement to capital and ask that you refer me to some of
>   your own writings and examples of concrete activism on your part in this
>   area. If you think that researching and exposing the some of the
>   networks, masks, institutions, fronts, SSAs, illusions, techniques of
>   social systems engineering, etc., through which capitalist individually
>   and collectively operate and rule is a "serious deflection" from the
>   tasks of building a mass resistance movement to capital, or is nothing
>   but "conspiracy theory", please enlighten us all what are the essential
>   tasks, what is your concrete preparation and contributions to be able to
>   comment on this subject, and what would you propose. For example,
>   someone might just ask what do you mean by "capital"? In addition to the
>   usual jargon and formulaics (capital is a social relation not a thing)
>   what will you offer beyond the usual generalities?
>
>   I for one have found this to be fertile ground for leveraging concerns
>   with certain issues (admittedly not particularly significant) into
>   concern with other issues that are particularly significant. But hey,
>   I'm always willing to learn--but only from those actually doing the
>   doing and not merely talking about what others should or should not be
>   doing while themselves demonstrating nothing about what is to be done
>   other than typing a few pithy lines on a keyboard in a comfortable
>   office or home.
>
>   Jim C.
>


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