Re: [Marxism] Milosevic's/[national] socialists and the radical party poised to win the election...

[les evenchick <piratefish@xxxxxxxxx>]

Now this is not the first time I was called a
supporter of imperialism with zero evidence
simply because I disagreed with what the facts
were concerning Milosevic and the KLA.

I have clearly stated by opposition to all
intervention by the US, NATO, UN etc. and I have
a history of acting against all forms of
imperialist intervention.

I can give many references including Stalinists,
Maoists, Anarchists and Trotskyists who will back
me up.

Anyone care for names and phone numbers?

I expect the same warning be givem to David who
originally made this charge and which prompted
the response for which I was warned.

I also note that no one has responsed to any of
my posts of documents relating to Kosovo/a and
the KLA with anything other then brushing them
off without any analysis.

What kind of Marxists(defenders of the Milosevic
view of the world) ignore documentary challenges
to their views.

                    Les Evenchick
                    New Orleans
--- David Quarter <davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>
>
>  I'll take a "nationalist" (Milosevic) over a
> supporter of imperialism (you) any day.
>
> cheers,
> DOQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Date sent:            Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:31:40
> -0800 (PST)
> From:                 les evenchick
> <piratefish@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> > The only socialist about Milosevic's party is
> the
> > name.
> >
> > The differences between the "Socialist Party"
> and
> > the "Radical Party" are like the differences
> > between the SA and the SS.
> >
> > You may be interested to know that an SA
> party
> > still exists in Canada and the US called the
> > National Alliance and they look to recruit
> from
> > the left.
> >
> > I suggest those who are so fond of Milosevic
> go
> > look into the NA, maybe thats where you all
> > belong.
> >
> >                          Les Evenchick
> >                          New Orleans
> >
> >                        Les Evenchick
> >                        New Orleans
> >
> >
> > --- David Quarter <davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >     Advertisement
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   Milosevic's Name on the Ballot Signals
> > > Serbian Nationalism
> > > By NICHOLAS WOOD
> > >
> > > Published: December 27, 2003
> > >
> > > BELGRADE, Serbia, Dec. 26 ? It is symbolic
> of
> > > Serbia's
> > > increasingly nationalistic mood that
> Slobodan
> > > Milosevic, the former
> > > president who is on trial on war crimes
> charges
> > > in The Hague, is
> > > running in the parliamentary elections here
> on
> > > Sunday.
> > >
> > > Polls suggest that the most seats will be
> won
> > > by the hard-line
> > > nationalist Radical Party led by Vojislav
> > > Seselj, now also a prisoner
> > > in The Hague and a partner in Mr.
> Milosevic's
> > > war-making in the
> > > 1990's. Nationalists also won recent
> > > parliamentary elections in
> > > Croatia, Serbia's archrival, where they
> have
> > > just formed a
> > > government.
> > >
> > > Mr. Milosevic, who heads the list for the
> > > Serbian Socialist Party
> > > and is thus likely to win election, and Mr.
> > > Seselj are among four
> > > leading war crimes suspects who are running
> for
> > > office in elections
> > > on Sunday, even though they have been
> indicted
> > > by the
> > > international criminal tribunal for the
> former
> > > Yugoslavia in the
> > > Netherlands.
> > >
> > > The elections were called in October by the
> > > Serbian prime minister,
> > > Zoran Zivkovic, after the collapse of his
> > > coalition government.
> > >
> > > The government came to power in January
> 2001,
> > > three months after
> > > mass protests forced Mr. Milosevic from
> office,
> > > and it handed him
> > > over to the United Nations tribunal in The
> > > Hague in June that year.
> > >
> > > But the government began to founder after
> that,
> > > and in March was
> > > shaken by the assassination of the prime
> > > minister, Zoran Djindjic.
> > > Now the loose coalition that forced Mr.
> > > Milosevic out has ceased to
> > > exist, and nationalists who once shared
> power
> > > with Mr. Milosevic
> > > are dictating the tone of the election
> > > campaign.
> > >
> > > Serbia faces enormous problems:
> unemployment
> > > officially around
> > > 13 percent, and probably much higher; a
> > > bureaucracy essentially
> > > unreformed from the Communist era; and
> > > organized crime, which
> > > flourished during Mr. Milosevic's 13-year
> rule
> > > when his policies led
> > > to increasing diplomatic and economic
> > > isolation.
> > >
> > > Yet the question that has dominated a
> largely
> > > lackluster campaign
> > > is whether Serbia should cooperate with the
> > > Hague tribunal, which
> > > has always been viewed by many here as
> biased
> > > against Serbs,
> > > who make up the bulk of those indicted.
> > >
> > > American and European aid depends in large
> part
> > > on Serbia's
> > > cooperation with the tribunal. But
> antipathy
> > > toward the court
> > > increased, diplomats and local commentators
> > > here say, after the
> > > court's chief prosecutor, Carla Del Ponte,
> > > issued four new
> > > indictments against members of the Serbian
> > > security forces, one of
> > > whom, Sreten Lukic, is a deputy minister of
> > > police. The government
> > > has refused to hand over the suspects, and
> > > declared on Friday that
> > > Gen. Ratko Mladic, the Bosnian Serb war
> > > commander wanted for
> > > genocide and other war crimes, was not in
> > > Serbia.
> > >
> > > The government's statement was in line with
> the
> > > way that parties
> > > on all sides of the political spectrum have
> > > sought to highlight their
> > > opposition to the court.
> > >
> > > In addition to Mr. Milosevic and Mr.
> Seselj,
> > > the former Yugoslav
> > > Army commander, Nebojsa Pavkovic, who is
> wanted
> > > for atrocities
> > > committed by his forces in Kosovo in 1999,
> is a
> > > candidate for the
> > > Socialist People's Party, and Mr. Lukic is
> a
> > > candidate for the
> > > Liberal Party.
> > >
> > > A poll by the Belgrade-based Strategic
> > > Marketing agency this
> > > week predicted that the Radical Party would
> be
> > > the largest single
> > > party in Parliament, with perhaps 25
> percent of
> > > the votes cast.
> > >
> > > Neither Mr. Milosevic nor Mr. Seselj would
> be
> > > able to take a seat in
> > > Parliament, and the two were banned by the
> > > Hague tribunal from
> > > taking any active role in the campaign
> after
> > > court officials learned
> > > the Serbian Socialist Party had used a
> > > tape-recorded telephone
> > > conversation with Mr. Milosevic calling on
> > > Serbs to vote for it.
> > >
> > > Rebeka Bozovic, deputy president of the
> Liberal
> > > Party, blamed Ms.
> > > del Ponte's announcement just ahead of the
> > > election campaign for
> > > giving the ultranationalist Radicals a
> > > significant boost.
> > >
> > > "My genuine belief is that Mrs. Del Ponte
> was
> > > the best head of an
> > > electoral campaign that the Radical Party
> could
> > > ever have had,"
> > > she said in an interview.
> > >
> > > The Liberal Party is a member of the
> current
> > > coalition government
> > > and was once in favor of cooperation with
> the
> > > tribunal. The party's
> > > leader, Dusan Mihajlovic, was among those
> > > responsible for Mr.
> > > Milosevic's arrest and subsequent
> deportation
> > > to The Hague.
> > >
> > > She said the backlash against Mrs. Del
> Ponte's
> > > announcement
> > > had left the party with little choice but
> to
> > > seek Mr. Lukic's support.
> > >
> > > "We saw from the polling that there was no
> > > chance of a regular
> > > campaign," she said, explaining why they
> had
> > > invited him to join
> > > the party. "It is an honor to have him on
> the
> > > list."
> > >
> > > Other vote-seeking ploys by the dozens of
> > > parties running include
> > > the promise of a return of the monarchy to
> > > Serbia, and the
> > > appearance on one list of Josip Broz, a
> > > grandson of Tito, the former
> > > Communist leader of the now vanished
> Yugoslav
> > > federation.
> > >
> > > There are six main contenders for seats,
> and
> > > "each of the parties
> > > that aspires to Parliament is looking to
> come
> > > up with a certain
> > > style or personality by which it would be
> > > different, and shape their
> > > identity," said Zarko Trebjesanin, a
> professor
> > > of psychology at
> > > Belgrade University.
> > >
> > > Parties fielding war crimes suspects, he
> said,
> > > were counting on a
> > > tradition of spite ? "inat" in Serbian ?
> toward
> > > the tribunal in The
> > > Hague to help them win more votes, even
> though
> > > it could be
> > > detrimental to Serbia's long-term
> interests.
> > >
> > > "Most people understand that Europe or the
> U.S.
> > > is not going to be
> > > happy with Seselj or Milosevic being on the
> > > party lists," Mr.
> > > Trebjesanin said. People voting for these
> > > parties, he said, would in
> > > many cases "do it out of spite even if it
> is no
> > > good for themselves."
> > >
> > > The Liberal Party, whose leader has been
> dogged
> > > by allegations of
> > > corruption during his tenure as interior
> > > minister, has adopted a
> > > black sheep as its electoral emblem. Ms.
> > > Bozovic said the black
> > > sheep represented something that could be
> > > admired by "going
> > > against the flow."
> > >
> > > "People are loving it," she said.
> "Everybody
> > > wants to have the
> > > badge and the T-shirt!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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