Re: [Marxism] Nader is to be Applauded for Departing the Green Party

[les evenchick <piratefish@xxxxxxxxx>]

Tony,

Good points,

I have been wavering on the "Green Party"
question but I do not consider the Green Party Us
or the Green Party USA(Yes their are still 2
national green parties plus several independent
state parties and many independent local parties.

It is a myth created by GPUS founders(formerly
ASGP) that they are THE Green Party and that all
greens belong to it.

Now the GPUS is not yet a Capitalist Party in my
opinion but that is what the most
organizationally influential members want(A
reformist CapitalistParty that can become like
the old Roosevelt Democratic Party).

I am currently operating on the premise that a
struggle against these pro-capitalist in the GPUS
from inside is warranted until and unless they
solidify their power.

The GPUSA is in its majority anti-capitalist
which is why the reformists such as David Cobb
hate it and misrepresent it.

The reality is that both the GPUSA and GPUS
affiliated state parties have mostly working
class members, but their are generally not class
conscious.

I will give it till the GPUS sponsored
Presidential nominating convention before I
consider dropping green party involvement.

At present I see no alternative.

The Socialist Party is actually promoting a
reformist candidate who appears less radical than
Nader according to what I have read of his
platform.

Two years ago I tried to interest working class
activists in forming a mass based workers party
but there were few takers.

My personal experience are that the masses of
oppressed are looking for a real alternative to
the Dems and Reps and do not see the current
green parties as an alternative(if they even know
about them).

Also the so-called Labor Party is more
pro-Capitalist than the GPUS and won't even run
candidates against the Democrats.

So convince me I should drop green party building
and give me an alternative.

Nader is not it. He has an anti-labor history,
says he would have supported UN intervention in
Iraq, and runs his organizations from the top
down(ie he is no democrat with a little d).

Nader is a pro capitalist reformer, only against
"abuses" of the system not against the system
itself.



                       Les Evenchick
                       New Orleans


--- Tony Abdo <gojack10@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> No, Les, I don't have much illusion about
> Nader.    But I do think that his
> thinking is more anti-capitalist than the
> majority of people supporting the
> Green Party.     And on this list, more people
> have delusions about the
> Green Party being a vehicle for anticapitalism
> sentiment than anything else.
>
> At least Nader doesn't seem so crippled by the
> majority of the Green Party's
> desperate faith in electorialism somehow
> solving the Big Problem.    He sees
> concentrated corporate power as the enemy, and
> not just the enemy being some
> Bush out there.     I think that is enough of a
> difference to vote very
> conditionally for the guy as an independent,
> but not as a candidate of a
> capitalist party like the Greens.    I'd much
> rather do that than vote for a
> Peter Camejo running as the Green Party
> candidate.
>
> It's a mistake to try to build the Green Party
> structure up.
>
> Tony
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Tony has major illusions concerning Nader.
>
> Nader is no anti-capitalist. He like his former
> follower David Cobb simply want to reform the
> corporate system and make it more accountible,
> but they accept the basic system.
>
> Nader has consistently backed so-called
> progressive Democrats, even against greens as
> was
> the case for Wellstone's seat.
>
>
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