Re: [Marxism] Re.: Please accept my apologies...,

[les evenchick <piratefish@xxxxxxxxx>]

Chris thinks Louis is fighting with one hand.

If thats true then I am fighting with one finger.

Does this mean Louis has knowledge that he is
keeping from us or that he could do a better job
of defending his outlook on Yugoslavia or what?

Now Chris is correct about looking at clas
struggle and what you will find on investigating
the claas struggles in Serbia and Kosova/o is
that Milosevic suppressed and oppressed many
working class organizations in Serbia.

And if you investigate the working class
organizations inKosovo/a you will find that most
became part of the KLA and that after the UN came
in the UN suppressed the newspapers of most of
these working class groups.

But I am sure Louis knows nothing about the
working class organizations in Kosovo/a or their
politics.

Do you?

                   Les evenchick
                   New orleans
--- Chris Brady <cdbrady@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> As I always seem to do, I agree--in large
> part--with David Walters.
> I can say this about most folks on this list.
> The quantity of our quality and the quality of
> our quantity keeps
> smaller differences diminished (where they
> belong) so far.  As well as
> certain doctrinal affiliations, a concurrent
> dedication to solidarity
> makes us comrades.
>
> I will allow that some tendencies regard
> any--even slight--divergence as
> symptomatic of corruption leading to a
> condition of absolute
> degeneracy.  Hey, what are you gonna do?  To
> coin a phrase: the poor of
> spirit will always be with us.  Our moment here
> is limited, and must be
> optimized.  Onward.
>
> In a debate such as the current on "Milosevic"
> --which considers so much
> more than
> that individual-- we see a dynamic that often
> emerges here on this
> list.  One
> participant has created themself as an expert
> in a particular area and,
> because we are finite beings,  focuses on that
> concentration, to the
> exclusion of others.  That one becomes a
> specialist.  To contribute or
> evaluate successive points, any other
> contributor on (or evaluator of)
> each point must delve with equally certain and
> single-minded commitment
> to that one point.
>
> This comes from our historical situation.  Our
> liberal, historically
> rationalized academy admits only fields of
> study devoted to
> specialization.  Experts and specialists tend
> to magnify the importance
> of their area, and reasonably so because that
> area occupies the entirety
> of their vision and activity, that is what they
> see, what ?takes their
> lives.?
>
> Because of the nature of our political economy,
> the expert?s field must
> become commodified, and defended.  Any position
> taken by an expert
> becomes that expert?s raison d?être, a life and
> death struggle?beyond
> all relative proportion.  Those who have the
> political economic power to
> do so elevate an expert to recognized and
> supported professional
> expertise.  Such experts must conform,
> compromise, or otherwise
> accommodate their sponsors to continue being
> supported as experts.  This
> happens in universities, but capitalist think
> tanks are also prime
> examples, as is media production.  The tendency
> exists throughout
> bougeois society, but is most powerful in the
> areas where there are the
> most resources, or wealth, shall we say.  Thus,
> experts as a categorical
> actors must remain suspected by levelers.
>
> I don?t want the above to be construed as a
> condemnation of knowledge,
> so let me give an example.  Mac.Stainsby
> forwarded to me a set of emails
> that he had received from a Venezuelan
> anti-Chavista.  That
> anti-revolutionary reactionary seemed prepared
> to dispute the film "The
> Revolution Will Not Be Televised" and to do so
> until the end of time,
> from more directions, based on more absurdly
> infinitesimal
> concentrations, that I wondered if the
> fabrications of this
> self-professed ?ordinary person? were supported
> by an organization of
> flush financial and entrenched (albeit
> compromised) intellectual
> contributors.  (Reading the emails, I got the
> same feeling I get halfway
> through a student plagiary.)  One can be drawn
> into a tangle with such
> antagonists, beyond the purposes of definition
> and a general placement
> of comprehension that has any utility?and
> well-beyond the effective
> CONFINEMENT of the current and increasingly
> particular(istic) argument.
> We cannot allow infinite analysis to bottle up
> our work.  We should also
> allow that point of view as well as evidence
> changes with time.  If we
> are to make practical conclusions, they must be
> in recognition that all
> is conditional.
>
> In a situation limited by specialism, and since
> he does so much in so
> many areas as a polymath, I am tempted to
> remark that in ?Milosevic?
> Louis fights with one hand.  But for our
> purposes, this debate is not a
> fight, with the participants locating
> triumphant victory against the
> vanquished, as much as (as it should be) an
> investigation into a matter
> that may have general utility.  Therefore,
> focus must join perspective
> to be of use.  Such synthetic extrapolation is
> Lou?s forté as well as a
> forte of Lou?s list.
>
> Furthermore, I am sure other observers have
> noted a tendency for some
> participants to identify the subjects of the
> debate, that is the players
> and groupings in the erstwhile Yugoslavia, as
> representative of distinct
> and immutable ethnicities and nationalities,
> and as such, in the current
> history of the region, to be inherently and
> effectively good or evil.  I
> am sure also that other observers would
> encourage participants instead
> to argue dialectically from the central
> premise, or heart, of class
> struggle.
>
>
>
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