Re: [Marxism] re: Milosevic's '89 speec/David should be suspended.

["David Quarter" <davidquarter@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

From:                   les evenchick <piratefish@xxxxxxxxx>

> This kind of argument by insult and falsificatin
> is typical of old time Stalinists and of people
> who have religious beliefs  who run out of
> evidence to back up their beliefs..>>>

  Relax. I had a bit too much to drink last night. And I already
apologized for my comments.

When  I come on a MARXIST list and read pro-Albanian/NATO
nonsense like that, it gets me pissed off.  Drunk or not.

I've been debating people like yourself for 5 years. I get tired of
hearing this argument.

I can't for the life of me understand how a marxist could defend one
of the most digusting imperialist "interventions" in the latter half of
the 20 century.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that the U.S. was
looking out for its own interests in Yugo;

That the secessionist groups -- Albanian, Bosnian Muslims, Croats
-- were for the most part fascist to the core.

That Milosevic and Serbia  (as opposed to the Serbs per se) was
the only republic defending Yugoslavia against the neo-liberal,
imperialist unslaught.


>From what I can see, Louis P. has been doing a good job ex-
posing the weakness of your position.

But, in any case, I have better things to do than debate folks with
your position.

Anyone who defends imperialism will necessarily dig themselves
into a deep, deep hole. There is nothing to expose, as you do a
good job on your own, I would say -- hence, the link you provided of
the Albanian discussion group.

 How did I manage to come to the same conclusions
> as Michael without having read anything by him
> until recently.
>
> Just maybe, we are right and you, Louis, and co.
> are wrong.>>>>

 No. I don't think so.

You should check out TENC. Although you won't.


Jared Israel's faults aside, his website is about the best critique on
the web of the NATO/pro-KLA nonsense. A buddy of his provides a
good critique of the pro-Bosnian Islamist nonsense as well. I don't
care about their ideological affinities, as some of the best critiques
of Zionism are provided by liberals and conservatives.

I would encourage you and Michael to debate Jared Israel, although
I know you won't.

These are my last comments to you on the subject.

DOQ




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