RE: [Marxism] FW: "Pedigree": Bush Gang, Bonesmen, Nazis and Euge nics

["Craven, Jim" <jcraven@xxxxxxxxx>]

I'm reluctant to add to this thread -- I think it's gone on a bit too long
-- but I decided to learn a bit about the author cited by Jim Craven.  I
went to a sitee honoring Sutton, http://www.antonysutton.com/

which directed me to the following link

http://www.etherzone.com/2002/stang062702.shtml

Please pay attention to the Sutton quotation contained within the following
quotation from a tribute to Sutton. For some reason, I'm dubious of
researchers who have discovered why "Wall Street loves Marxists and Nazis"
and "why the West built the Soviets."


Despite his monumental research, Tony Sutton, like many patriots, at first
could not understand why the West, and preeminently the United States, is
financing its own destruction. Eventually, he found out and published his
findings in his study of Skull & Bones. "These volumes will explain why the
West built the Soviets and Hitler; why we go to war, to lose; why Wall
Street loves Marxists and Nazis; why the kids can¡¯t read; why the Churches
have become propaganda founts; why historical facts are suppressed, why
politicians lie and a hundred other whys."

Among other things, Tony showed how Morgan bankers inserted illegal
Communist gold into the United States and how Wall Street freed Communist
Leon Trotsky, who went on to help subjugate Russia. Tony named the phony
businessmen who were Socialists but masqueraded as champions of Free
Enterprise. He demonstrated the bizarre connections between Communists in
the streets and some of the richest, most powerful people in this country.


Response (Jim C): Check out some of the sources in the works of G. William
Domhoff: "The Powers that Be"; "The Higher Circles, Who Rules America?",
"The Bohemian Grove and Other Retreats", "The Higher Circles", "Who Really
Rules?" etc; they are all over the map ideologically. Should we use only
"ideologically pure" sources--the kinds that right-wingers would never even
dare to quote or lift a factoid out of even for their own purposes? 

Maybe if I want to find out who is who and what is what at Browning, Montana
at the Blackfeet Reservation I should go to Counterpunch (leftish enough for
most folks) and Jeffrey St. Clair can tell me all about Browning, Blackfeet
and how it is there? And of course it has to be true because it is from a
known "leftist" source?

I was/am well aware of who uses Anthony Sutton's work and for what purposes
they use it. For the record, even on the basic facts (not the conclusions,
extrapolations, interpolations from them) Sutton has advanced with respect
to U.S. capitalist interests and investments, where and when they occurred,
by whom, I have found no independent refutation of the basic facts Sutton
has advanced. If there are refutations, based on the source documents Sutton
uses or other documents he has not used, I would love to see them. But to
try to impeach Sutton's facts based on what conclusions or extrapolations he
makes from them or based on which nutcases have picked them up for their own
ideological purposes seems superficial and somewhat McCarthyite to me. You
know the old saw: Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.

Only when the left gets over itself, gets real, gets close to the real folks
and real struggles that are the objects of sometimes esoteric leftist
analysis, gets away from incestuous and insulated sources and incessant
quote-mongering and develops theory to understand and guide real struggles
against real conditions and forces of oppression will we advance beyond
isolated and dispersed cliques and academic market niches.

Jim C.



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