When is realism delusional and rancorous?

["David Schanoes" <Schanoes@xxxxxxx>]

A deeply pained response to some comrades:

The moderator doesn't want to open the rancorous debate about his
previously expressed position "No Democrats" being advertised by the
anti-war movement, because to do so involves substituing imagination for
hard-nosed, practical, reality.

We must above all be "realistic" about the prospects, indeed the
necessity, for articulating an independent,  marxist, or socialist,
program, critique, platform, strategy.

Then  comrade Nestor reaches a similar conclusion about distinct but
interconnected struggle in Bolivia, that despite the actual mobilization
and leadership by workers committed to struggle, the content of the
struggle cannot be socialist, and the realistic assessment is that
events in Bolivia have no possibility of becoming socialist...

So, if in the midst of an armed struggle against the established order,
we have no chance of developing a social-ism, a program that articulates
the real needs of that class leading the fight against capital, when
will we ever have a chance?  How do we ever escape the conundrum?
Whatever happened to permanent revolution?  Too unrealistic?

All the more painful is this in that comrade Nestor provides an
illuminating history of more than Bolivia which shows, at least to me,
the inadequacy of every previous struggle attempting to liberate,
"nationalize,"  Bolivia, and indeed the Americas in that the predominant
reality was the specific organization of property and it was this that
the rebellions did not consciously attack.

All the more painful is this in that comrade Nestor has been extremely
forthright and vigorous in his assertions that the revolutionary impetus
has "passed"  from  the metropolitan centers of capital, and into the
3rd world, where material deprivation compels workers' and national
movements to fuse into a revolutionary struggle. ... In  theory.

But in practice all we get is the realistic assessment that now is not
the right time in La Paz, in DC, in anywhere.   So there can't be
revolutiona in the advanced countries, because the workers are
"bribed"?-- maybe they are just realistic-- and there won't be
revolution in the 3rd world countries because that wouldn't be
realistic.   But you know what?  It's never the right time, and never
will be until those who claim to understand the reality use their
imaginations to break its pedestrian domination.

I am not kidding one bit when I say this is painful for me to write.

As for the moderator's implied rancorous threats, everyone knows how I
respond to threats.

You want to unsub me?  It's your loss.


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