RE: Was A Vote To Recall the PRI a Vote For Vicente Fox?

["Tony Abdo" <gojack10@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Julio is right to say that each country has different conditions in which
individual Green Parties float, but that is not to say that the Green
Parties of the world are not an international phenomena.    Even the example
I gave of the core  Mexican PVEM platform of LOVE, JUSTICE, and FREEDOM
rings from the same chord of DIVERSITY, JUSTICE, and FREEDOM... which is
written in as one of the US Green's... TEN KEY VALUES.

The Mexican Greens are NOT purely a creation of the PRI, as Julio assserts.
   All the Latin American countries have some fledgling version or another
of the Mexican PVEM.    There really is a Green International, and it is
merely myopia to think that observances of one national Green grouping are
somehow irrelevent to how another Green Party is going to function.
Because the French CP is operating in a different country from the Italian
or British CPs, that is still no reason to not examine the interconnections
and similarities between all of them.

When Fox's star was still rising, the international Green movement toured
him as a great victory and example in Latin America.     Even at a San
Antonio rally I attended for Ralph Nader, the PVEM and Fox were held up as
an example of what could be achieved by the US Greens.       Now, of course,
both the Greens and Fox are kind of distancing themselves from each other,
simply becausee there is no gain at present in staying together in the
stagelight.

Further, Julio is absolutely wrong with his comment that the PVEM is some
sort of 'yuppie mafia' that has no desire to seek fior themselves more than
the dollar.     He accuses them of doing that rather than beong concerned
about ecology.      The reality is, that the ecology is all they most often
talk about, in a manner very similar to most Greens in the US.     Yes, this
'yuppie mafia' of the Greens exists in the US, too, Julio, if we are going
to label such as such.    The character of Mexican PVEM electorialism has
much in common to the record of US Green electorialism.

But the examination of what occurred when the Mexican Greens gave Left
dressing to a Rightist electoral maneuver in Mexico, holds a great lesson to
what 'watermelon' entrism proponents in the US socialist movement should
ultimately expect from the Green Party in the US.     Fox's victory was a
great setback for the Mexican Left, and the participation of the PVEM at the
side of Fox was integral in making him appear to be the opposite of what he
is.

In California, the Green Party claimed that the Recall was a good thing, and
that it was democracy in action.    This is exactly how the Mexican PVEM
viewed the Fox campaign.      They too ignored the character of their
Arnold, Vicente Fox, and concentrated on their Davis, the PRI.    Well now
they have their Arnold, and California has their Fox (and Bush has his PVEM,
it might be added).     It is not naive or tendentious to examine these two
elections in a common light.

Tony
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Julio...
I don't think it is instructive.  I think it is naive or tendentious.  Just
because there's a "Green" Party in Mexico doesn't mean that it is in any
meaningful way similar to the Green parties in Germany or the U.S.  The
history of each political formation, the conditions in each country, etc.
are very different.

The Green party in Mexico is a creature of the (PRI) José López Portillo
administration in the late 1970s and early 1980s.  JLP gave money to a group
of yuppies in the upper-middle class and rich neighborhoods in southern
Mexico City so that they could rapidly form a "political party" to diminish
the representation of the Left in the re-negotiation of the electoral
reform.

Stupid they are not.  In the 1987 presidential elections, they changed ships
and decided to support Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas as they needed to grab a certain
share of seats in Congress to survive and the PRI was taking them for
granted.  As the electoral fraud that deprived Cárdenas of the presidency
became apparent and the protests mounted, the PV was quickly bought off by
the PRI again -- to weaken the movement against the fraud.  As we speak, the
Green party remains firmly under the control of a yuppie mafia, whose
greenness comes more from the color of a dollar bill than from any genuine
ecological consciousness or activism.

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