Re: marxism-digest V1 #6142

[Mike Friedman <mikedf@xxxxxxxx>]

This is ridiculous. This is sheer fetishism of words. No ***slogan*** -- as
'clear' or 'pc' or whatever, "entails an end" to a war or "stops any such
movement and allows the recuperationists to commandeer the movement."
Living people with (or without) a program do those things. If a movement
raises the demand to "bring the trrops home now," we -- the few of us there
are -- should be in the thick of it pushing it forward, without getting all
bent out of shape regarding the choice of words.

Mike


At 07:58 PM 7/24/2003 -0400, you wrote:
> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:09:10 -0700
> From: "dms" <dmschanoes@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: RE: Re: Bring the Troops Home Now/Support the Troops
>
> ML,
>
> I don't at all understand what it is you're trying to do.. and I don't think
> I have to satisfy that.
>
> What I have stated is that BTTHN is inadequate to addressing the struggle
> that is the real source of the war; that BTTHN couches itself in patriotic
> jargon, just look at the stuff that accompanies the great majority of
> presentations of BTTHN-- "this war isn't worth one American life."; that
> BTTHN rather than moving the "95% of those without a concept of class"  to a
> concept of class, stops any such movement and allows the recuperationists to
> commandeer the movement.  I have stated that by not facilitating this
> transition to a class analysis, the bourgeoisie are able to obscure the
> essential characteristic of a class struggle, beg for more time within the
> patriotic trappings of BTTHN and once they do get the troops home, continue
> the war with greater or lesser ferocity but continue the war.  I direct you
> to the fate of the VN anti-war movement  and the ferocious assaults made by
> US supported and supplied forces after the withdrawal of US ground forces.
> I say BTTHN does not entail an end to the war.  Check the timeline for
> Vietnam.