Re: Re: Spain: colonizer and colonized

[Karl.Bachmann@xxxxxxxxxxx (Karl Bachmann)]

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Subject: Re: Re: Spain: colonizer and colonized


> Both your comments share a single point: that imperialism,
> as practiced by Spain in the 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th
> centuries,acted as a brake on economic development, and the
> growth,internally of capital's relations of productions.
> I agree.
>
> However, I think Comrade Proyect has developed critical
> points about the impact of this establishment of the world
> market on Britain, France and capitalism as awhole.  In my
> first remarks to LP, I said that I thought the emphasis on
> the extraction of gold and silver was "overweighted" in his
> presentation of the origins of capitalism, not immaterial.
>
> Also, I think LP's last communication regarding the non-feudal
> relations established by Spain in the New World, are insisghtful
> and essential to understanding the decline of Spain the
> sustained underdevelopment of these colonies.  These relations,
> non-feudal,actually employing collective, detached (from land)
> labor, are exactly the relations Spain could not support,
> and "more" "developed" "capital" systems did, until the
> bottom line turned into the red zone.