Re: John Holloway debate

["Erik Toren" <ectoren@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hola Camaradas:

For those interested in the debates w/i Mexico where he works and writes,
try:

http://www.rebelion.org/izquierda/urbano070103.htm

http://www.rebelion.org/izquierda/araujo101102.htm

http://www.rebelion.org/internacional/juarez090203.htm

(sorry, all in Spanish)

Also, Convergencia Socialista has an excellent issue of their magazine,
Convergencia Socialista, with a good critique of Holloway.

Unfortunately, for us who do day-to-day community organizing, there is a
layer of activists that have become "bitten" by the Holloway bug and go
around talking about "non-power", "umbrella of people", and
"non-organizing". Sadly, this turns activist organizations into "anarchic
affinity groups."

por el socalismo,
Erik Carlos Torén


----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Proyect" <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>

> Once I am finished with John Holloway's "How to Change the World Without
> Taking Power", I will be posting a rather longish critique here. This
> book is an autonomist attempt to substitute Chiapas-type struggles for
> socialism. It is one long cautionary tale about the need to avoid making
> a revolution. Holloway permits people to struggle, but says that once
> you set up a workers state everything goes bad like in the Who song
> "Won't Get Fooled Again". It reminds me a bit of how somebody once
> described a dog chasing a car. The poor thing wouldn't know what to do
> if it ever caught up with one.