Shuttles and Jose

[Armand Diego <causebellum@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jose Perez wrote:

>
> Please provide some *evidence* of your assertions.

Dear Jose: You may do the search yourself.  Since
you're a lay person, I assume, I will refer you to the
bourgeois press which, mostly in Europe, but also the
WSJ here had exposed the triviality of the
"scientific" experiments of the Shuttle and the
military pressure on its missions.

>
> - - The main big shots being either active or
> military officers

Check the list of their board and the personnel in
charge of the most sensitive areas of operation, plus
the list of most astronauts, cosmonauts and pilots of
the many missions of the Shuttle and ask yourself,
what is the PRIMARY chain of command of these people?

> Then you will have to hand all the evidence you need
> to prove me wrong. All
> you actually need to do is find the relevant parts
> and actually READ it.

As I followed the space programs for some years now,
for different reasons than those expressed in this
discussion, and I'm aware of the increasing rejection
by NASA of civilian-proposed experiments and missions
- including commercial ventures, and I'm in a position
to look a little deeper than the PR statements of
NASA.  I would suggest you do the same. Your whole
argument seems to be based on the same methodology
used today in the UN by the US to "prove a point."

Even the representatives of Guinea and Syria - no
geniuses at that - were able to look beyond Powell's
speech.

You may start by looking at the reason why Ramon was
in the shuttle, which were his missions and to whom he
reported his findings.  That will give you some clues.

> That most of the astronaut corps has been drawn from
> the military, and in
> particular fighter pilots and test pilots, is hardly
> a secret. It is also
> hardly a secret that while on assignment to NASA,
> they are detached from
> their branches of the service and are under the
> control of the astronaut
> office, same as any other astronaut, not the
> military chain of command.

Really? So, the imperialist Armed Forces relent the
discipline and reporting hierachy of their officers to
civilian control?  Is that your Marxist analysis of
the functioning structure of the US Armed Forces?


> NASA's own "chain of command" -- its reporting
> structure -- is a matter of
> public record. It should be a piece of cake to go in
> there and show how
> military officers hold the key responsible positions
> in the organization.

Being there, done that.  Just explain why shuttles
have two, sometimes three channels of communications
and information lines and different centers to process
different information?

> You won't do it because you're a windbag who doesn't
> know the first thing
> about what you're talking about, all you can do is
> spout empty
> super-r-r-revolutionary rhetoric and make assertions
> of the top of your head

Be careful, Josesito, insulting people is the method
of the bully who knows he screwed up and, besides, is
a provocation for me to respond in tune with your
insults and then be unsub by the owner of the list.

In fact, this is the second ad-hominem attack that has
nothing to do with the discussion, which only prove
how insecure you feel about your positions.

In a very careful way, let me tell what I think:

Through the months that I read some of your more
relevant postings, I saw a pattern.  Whether is about
school segregation & integration, racism, labor
aristocracy or now the Shuttle discussion, I see you
sliding down the road towards liberalism.

Of course, you have the freedom of choice to adopt any
ideology you wish, but I think from time to time, some
dossage of principple class statements in the list are
healthy to balance out the discussion.

> that even my 12 year old daughter can easily
> disprove.

Send me her e-mail.  I would be very interested in
having an intelligent discussion with her.  If
anything, she is young enough to learn dialectics.  As
I assume you're a mature person - maybe over 50? - I
do not intend to embark in a mission to change you or
your approach to analysis.  For what I read about you
in this list, you're a veteran that consciously
elected your present course. And I would graciously
leave you continue that course.

I think others in this list and myself has clearly
made the case in the different dicussions and
clarified your tendency to admit uncritically the PR
of the government - whether talking about schools or
shuttles - so, I will move on to more interesting
issues, like the present discussion on labor
aristocracy.

Cheers!

DA



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