Re: Moderator's warning to Jim Drysdale

[Louis Proyect <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx>]

Jim Drysdale:
>JD: You tell the world that everyone on this list is more than acquainted
>with capital.  And, you tell the working class that it will have a
>successful revolution...without the class...coming to understanding of
>capital.
>Mr. Proyect.....how the hell do you know this?  Please stop patronising the
>class who will overthrow capital.

How do I know this? I spent lots of time in Nicaragua, which had a
revolution. Nobody except Sandinista cadres--and a minority at
that--thought in terms of abolishing money or commodity production. They
rose up because there was a volcano that killed 10,000 people and the
Somoza government was using foreign aid to line the pockets of its cronies
while people went hungry and babies died because clean water was unavailable.

>JD: As far as I can see we *still* are dominated by capital.

So what in Sam Hill does this have to do with the mandate of this list? Do
we need to be reminded by you that there is a capitalist system?

>JD:  Dear Louis, you, it appears, are not aware of the difference between
>*most revolutions* of the past and the coming universal revolution that
>buries all of the past.  That is, most revolutions, of the past, can be
>merely guidelines for the present.   Else, we would have socialism, already.
>And, as you already know everything then.....please explain why we have not
>already moved to socialism?   Will I get the.......the balance of class
>forces were against.....type of argument?  Hope for something a bit deeper,
>i.e. a bit more theoretical.

This kind of hot air could send a dirigible to the moon.

>Where there's been one.....there can be many.  Seems that you disaprove of
>the many gaining knowledge?

This list has about 400 subscribers that by all evidence has mastered the
abc's of Marxist economics, as well as the rest of the alphabet. Why are
you trying to educate us? Go out into the community and explain the wonders
of m-c-m' to the untutored masses. JUST NOT HERE.

>PS:  Should you desire, I'll, off-list post to yourself much of what I've
>written (some published) on the local scottish scene and even further
>afield.

That would be a pleasant surprise. From all you have written about
Scotland, one might venture to guess that you lived on Neptune.

>I await my barring.  A more relaxed comrade would not, of course, attack
>others on the list that *they* own.
>That is, as our class knows to its peril......its hard to buck the boss.  In
>private, of course, our class say.....fuck the boss.

That's right. I am the boss. Just like C. Montgomery Burns on "The
Simpsons". Watch out or you will no longer have a job at my nuclear power
plant.

>PPS:  Like youself I read meaningful media most every day.  Unlike yourself,
>I see most of it as evidence of the movement of decline so wish not to
>regurgitate it to comrades who ALSO KNOW THIS.

I have no idea what you mean by decline. When I post something about forest
fires, it is not meant to indicate whether the system is in decline or not.
It is rather to show how a particular capitalist contradiction is played
out. I suppose I could say that capitalism causes forest fires or
something, but I don't want to make a fool of myself. Hint-hint.

>You, Mr. Proyect may wish to consider that you.....have developed bad
>habits. You should get out more among the class, as I do.

Oh, you are among workers? How inspiring. May I touch the hem of your garment.

>For example, almost all that are led to an understanding of the nature of,
>for example, money, crave for more.

God, save me from such banal observations.

>I end here, before I loose my temper.

You end here, period.

Louis Proyect
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