Malvinas Re: Question for Phil

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Lenin would have clipped all extraneous text before replying to a message, so 
should you.
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On 10/22/01 10:58 AM,marxism-digestowner-marxism-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:

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> Nestor writes many things, some in the heat of the moment. In any case, the
> last thing that I have been hearing from his quarters is about the need to
> throw people with your point of view in jail. There were of course many in
> Argentina at the time. Anti-nationalist Marxists are commonplace in Latin
> America, including Mexico from which Julio Huato hailed.

Well, Nestor has repeated this statement several times and has not retracted
it so I don't buy the "heat of the moment" excuse. I think that this
statement, along with his statement regarding putting aside revolutionary
demands during the conflict (ie "national unity" over revolution) or, put in
other words, class collaboration, is at the crux of the question. Lenin
conceded the right of self-determination but he always rejected subsuming
revolutionary demands for the sake of nationalism. So no, I don't think this
is a side issue or a "heat of the moment" question. It's a question of class
collaboration, an act no more acceptable in a   semi-colonial state than in
an independent or imperialist state.
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> We need to stick to the key questions if this debate is to have any value:
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> 1. Can Argentina be grouped with Australia, etc. socially and economically?
> You seem to have conceded that it should not, or at least plead ignorance.
> In the context of the debate and past behavior of the CWI, this represents
> modest progress.

Well, I have to do more reading on the question of the borderline (so to
say) between semi-colonialism and "independent" states.  I'll answer in more
detail when I have a chance.

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> 2. Is the Malvinas a candidate for "self-determination"?