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Re: Base/superstructure and the State
- Subject: Re: Base/superstructure and the State
- From: "Amanda Tattersall" <amandatatts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:16:14 -0700
>I don't recall reading Lenin on "base/superstructure" or similar things
>about the state. Could you detail just how you came to the conclusion that
>Lenin's view are similar to those of the others you write about?
>
>José
In refering to Lenin theories on the state, I am arguing that his conception
of the bourgeoise state tends to rely on the conception of the state as
simply a "committee of the ruling class." To me, that seems to be an
expression of the base/superstructure metaphor that holds the state not
simply produced or determined by economic relations (or say, class
conflict), but determined directly by the ruling class. Such a perception
of the state, I would argue, does not allow an analysis of the State as an
institution produced by class relations, but as an institution controlled
simply by the ruling class. I would argue that the same criticisms noted by
Clarke et al in relation to the limits of Milliband's theory of the state,
could be argued against Lenin's concption of the state (in State and
Revolution).
It is not so much that Lenin talked about how he wrote about
base/superstructure, but that such an conclusion can be made from his work
on the state.
Consequently I do not take the group of people that I am refering to (eg
Gramsci, Milliband, Poulantsaz etc) as having similar theories on the state
(because clearly their work is very different), but rather I argue that
their work can all be discussed in terms of the different ways their works
relate to the base/superstucture metaphor.
Amanda
>From: "Jose G. Perez" <jgperez@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: <marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: Base/superstructure and the State
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:00:45 -0400
>
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- Thread context:
- (Fwd) pol-cien : Will Argentina Trigger the Next Financial Cri,
Les Schaffer Thu 19 Apr 2001, 12:05 GMT
- Base/superstructure and the State,
Amanda Tattersall Thu 19 Apr 2001, 04:41 GMT
- <Possible follow-up(s)>
- Re: Base/superstructure and the State,
Louis Proyect Thu 19 Apr 2001, 14:53 GMT
- Re: Base/superstructure and the State,
Jose G. Perez Thu 19 Apr 2001, 23:49 GMT
- Re: Base/superstructure and the State,
Amanda Tattersall Fri 20 Apr 2001, 00:16 GMT
- Re: Base/superstructure and the State,
Juan R. Fajardo Fri 20 Apr 2001, 00:49 GMT
- Re: Base/superstructure and the State,
Charles Brown Fri 20 Apr 2001, 17:40 GMT
- Re: Base/superstructure and the State,
Charles Brown Fri 20 Apr 2001, 18:14 GMT
- Email from Vermont and Hebron,
Jay Moore Thu 19 Apr 2001, 02:00 GMT
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