Re: Atatuerk and Bismarck (was:Re: Questions for Mine (was: When to support nationalism?))

["Gorojovsky" <Gorojovsky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

En relación a Atatuerk and Bismarck (was:Re: Questions for Mine,
el 31 Jan 01, a las 18:06, Johannes Schneider dijo:
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> > The decission reminds that by Bismark to split Germany
> > >from Austria in the 1860s.
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> I know you have a soft spot for that Junker Bismarck.

Not softer than that of Marx and Engels, to whose wisdom on the issue I bow
(particularly because beign Rheinlanders, they had everything to hate that
Junker Bismark).  Now, Johannes, I bessech you, put in the concrete situation,
would you have supported the Austrian dinasty? As Marx and Engels put it
clearly, if the bourgeoisie could not develop its own revolution against both
Austria and Prussia, then Bismark had to be supported. That he was a right wing
s.o.b. and an oppressor of other peoples, I do not deny. But what matters in my
comparison is the idea that -forcibly or not, this is a different issue:
Ataturk had the idea _before_ the West enforced it on Turkey- if you wanted to
modernize Turkey (Germany) you had to get rid of the vast areas out of which
the Turkish semifeudal aristocracy made a living out.

Methinks.

Not an expert in things Turkish, neither German. I only claim to know a little
on Latin America, and perhaps more than a little on Argentina.

Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
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