RE: Canadian Indian women "are tired of what's happening"

["Craven, Jim" <jcraven@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Louis,

How long do we have to endure this fucking punk? This is no different than
the stuff that went on on pen-l. I suspect he no longer has a job--and a
marriage--because he his obviously a lengend-in-his-own-mind-know-it-all
asshole that no one can stand; he is obviously in love with his own
rhetoric.

We have had Blackfoot and other Indigenous activists murdered, driven out of
work, jailed without any due process for years; our needs for security are
real and necessary and this pomopous little shit mocking such concerns shows
he is not even a tourist in Indian country--he is a little wrecker who
should be dropped from this list as he adds nothing of value. This will be
my last response to this little agent provocateur.

For the record, Mr. Maki, no one pays me to invesitgate, to conduct witness
interviews in preparation for litigation or anything else in Indian Country.
I was drafted based on previous work experiences and certain expertise.

I do not maintain a CV and have no idea how many publications I have. In all
of the many interviews I have done with Residential School victims (my own
mother was one of them) I have never revealed or written up what was told to
me to prepare for our Tribunal in Blackfoot Country, written articles for
profit or career advancement or attempted to profit in any way from my
contacts with and documentation of the misery of the victims of the various
causes with which I have been associated; and I never will.

Those women standing up against corruption in First Nations are putting
everything they have--including their lives--on the line. You know nothing
about who they are
and what they face. You obviously know nothing about the history and you
know a few buzz words that's all. And further, if you knew anything about
First Nations Peoples, you would know we don't appreciate being interrogated
by a know-nothing, self-promoting, self-declared "savior of the oppressed"
whose contributions appear to be largely self-declared and self-affirmed
(like little George running around "I'm a leader; I'm a uniter not a
divider...")

So fuck you and your questions punk. you are simply not worth answering; and
if you are not receiving an RCMP paycheck, well maybe there's a job you can
handle--wrecker and agent provocateur.

Jim Craven

-----Original Message-----

From: alan maki [mailto:vavbred@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 1:42 PM
To: marxism@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Canadian Indian women "are tired of what's happening"



--- Louis Proyect <lnp3@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Alan:
> >1. What Native organizations in Canada represent
> >Native people?
>
> I have no idea.

Well, then.... how the heck could you defend the
organization referred to in the New York Times article
that you posted on here yourself! That is what I
initially specifically responded to.

> >2. Do you know of any chiefs who are not corrupt?
> >Please name a couple.
>
> You frame the question in the wrong way.

I kind of figured you would evade answering this
question as does Mr. Craven. Of course Mr. Craven does
so in the name of "protecting" the people from the
RCMP.... how noble. How long will these "leaders" and
"activists" remain hidden?

> >3. Do you advocate the complete dismantling of
> tribal
> >councils? And, if so, what will replace them? How
> long
> >will this process take? Who and how will Native
> people
> >be represented to deal with the government,
> >corporations, and yes--- even universities
> regarding
> >rights and demands for equality and an end to
> racism
> >in admissions and hiring?
>
> In the movie "Burn", the revolutionary leader of the
> Black peasantry tells
> one of his captors that freedom can not be given. It
> must be taken. That is
> my attitude not only toward the Canadian Indian
> movement, but to all
> progressive movements.

So hollywood provides answers to our complex social
problems.
>
> >I might also remind you that Native people have had
> to
> >fight like hell for everything, every single step
> of
> >the way... And I would like to see how your
> position
> >would hold up in front of Native people who only in
> >the last ten to twenty years have had homes,
> >electricity, running water where none of this
> existed
> >before... and there are still many communities that
> >don't even have these things that most people in
> the
> >United States and Canada take for granted.
>
> Demagogy.

Tell people on reserves that now have homes,
electricity, and running water its all "demagogy",
that they should continue to live like animals until
your annonymous "leaders" make their appearance.
>
> >Unfortunately, Mr. Proycet, you are so narrow and
> >ridgid in your thinking and so eager to condemn
> that
> >your views become rather meaningless because there
> >aren't too many people in this world you consider
> >worthy of your working with for anykind of social
> >change. I think this is sad.
>
> Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways.

No problem, happy to be able to assist you.
>
> >Please, you initially raised this issue by posting
> the
> >New York Times article, can't we have some answers?
>
> You don't want answers.  try any of the mailing
lists on the CSF
> computers.

That is the way, continue to evade these very simple
and basic questions by telling us if you don't play by
my rules go away. How scientific of you. Might I
remind you, you raised these issues, I think you owe
it to the readers and subscribers to answer these
questions.
>
>
> Louis Proyect
> Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org/


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Alan Maki
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